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i think, it has something to do with the points...

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I agree.  I have a license for Espresso already, and although I want to love it, it's just not finished.  Frankly I think people are going to be very disappointed by it.  Perhaps in another 6 - 8 months it will be something to compete with Coda or TextMate, but certainly not in its current incarnation.

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I own CSSEdit, TextMate, and Coda.
Mostly I use CSSEdit+TextMate in the initial develop stage just because they are way better than Coda.
But, Coda is also a good tool for managing your entire site.
So, I use Coda for maintenance.
If Espresso can have the editing power comparing to TextMate, I will switch to Espresso+CSSEdit combination.

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Here's a review that came up in my RSS feeds:
http://macapper.com/2009/03/31/espresso … eveloping/

"Whaa....?"

Espresso was a big reason why I bought the bundle. I'm hoping it gets unlocked. I'd hate to have bought the package for less than I was hoping to get.

I bought the bundle fairly early and was optimistic to this being available.
in the last week it looks like purchases have lost momentum, hopefully the addition of cromag will boost it along.

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With only 7 days left I am getting a little worried.  Was looking forward to this app being in my loot.

This may have been addressed, but what is the nature of the license being given? Will it cover all 1.x releases? Given that Espresso may not be fully formed until 2.0, I am wondering if this license will at least allow for discount upgrading when it releases.

If the license is restricted due to the promotion, it doesn't mean much for me to get the Macheist license.

I would like to see this app unlocked, I'm sure everyone does... perhaps the bundle sales will pick up towards the weekend. Maybe there's a chance that the bundle sale could be extended...

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he has learned in school" - Albert Einstein

With MH1 and MH2, weren't all apps unlocked (eventually). Even though sales are currently slow, I have faith in the Directorate's creativity.

29,000 a day

Have faith. I think that all the apps will be unlocked, one way or another. Whether that means adjusting the final unlock point, or even extending the Bundle sale dates, I am sure we'll have satisfaction in the end. The addition of a bonus app now, CroMag, should generate at least some renewed interest, and help bring a few hold-out buyers in. We'll just have to see what numbers the next week bring in.

- Brian

I am gathering that this app is a supplement to CSSEdit, correct?  Or is it the next generation, eventually to include CSSEdit's functionality?

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I think this is a compliment to CSSEdit. This is for everything else including CSS.

If you aren't a hand-coder then this may not be as exciting for you as it is for some of us!

hi, i'm new to MacHeist and did not understood the concept of app being locked at first.
it's a bummer, cause i was already happy to get espresso!

i hope the numbers will keep on going up and up and up.

Espresso compliments CSSEdit but there's no integration between the two apps. So, for example, as it stands there's no way to launch CSSEdit from within Espresso (as you can with Coda). Even still if you don't mind the loss of X-Ray and visual CSS editing there's no reason you couldn't hand code your CSS directly within Espresso.

Espresso just got an update tonight...

Version 1.0.1:

Major stability improvements: fixes for nearly all known crashes and errors, removed various memory leaks. If Espresso 1.0 crashed for you, 1.0.1 should fix your problem.
Double-clicking Sugars now installs them instead of simply opening them as a project
New Tag action ignores typed attribute values like it should
Editors are now properly reused when double-clicking a file to add it to the Workspace
Snippet placeholder transformations now work as expected
Tabbing in a search field changes the focused field instead of indenting the selection
Quick Publish now respects file permissions better
Upgraded FTP and SFTP publishing libraries
Worked around incompatibility with CocoaSuite

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>> http://www.macheist.com/bundle/u/49368/ (Will remove it when I've got two)

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Here is a screencast about Espresso from SmokingApples: http://smokingapples.com/podcast/screen … -espresso/

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I personally only do simple web programming, so I tend to stick with Smultron. Expresso has potential, no denying that much. I'm pretty impressed by the MacHeist package, personally. Though some stuff I may never use. (the phone app and the thing for ebay for example.) The other things are pretty good.

I'd like to get BoinxTV, and the Hit List as well. I'm thinking I may need to drag in some advertisement to try and help out.

Referal link:
http://www.macheist.com/bundle/u/311547/

A few people have commented that Espresso just isn't ready/finished.

Is this just in terms of stability/robustness or is it more than that?  If it's a stability issue then you'd assume by 1.0.5 or sooner that they'd pretty much have cracked that.  Realistically a 1.0 is never going to be that robust.

No, it is very stable. It is more autocomplete, FTP confusion and language support natively.

Espresso has never crashed on me so it's extraordinarily stable. However it otherwise seems rushed or incomplete.  Live preview only works on static HTML files while the website says dynamic languages are supported, the sidebar doesn't remember its settings (adjust the height of your sidebar panels and they default as soon as you select a new file), code snippets don't have tab stops, every point update deletes all your themes, etc. There's quite a few bugs, really and some have been around for months.

I'm confidant these issues will get fixed eventually however I can't help but think that if Espresso wasn't part of MacHeist it would have reached 1.0 around June or July, not March.

No it's more cause it has been expected to be a Coda Killer and it's not even close to Coda at this state..
But it does alreay a few things better then Coda..
- The split panel view in the FTP control panel
- codefolding

For the rest it still has miles to go. But I have good hopes as the guys from macRabbit have profen themselves to be capable off making some nice app's..

Does preview even work properly?  I feel like it's either badly broken or I'm missing something, but it seems to be a chore to even try getting a good preview page.

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F everyone.  Scribbles is neat!

i tried espresso and it's a great task manager, simple, design.
wonderfull apps

So are these things people believe will be fixed with the MacHeist license upgrade path?  I'm assuming that the license will be good for all 1.x versions (or at least a few months worth) and they sound for the most part like things which will get cleared up relatively quickly.

Obviously asking people to guess but any thoughts would be appreciated.

To my knowledge all licenses are full 100% legit and act the same as if you purchased the product directly.  In the past there were some small issues... cha-ching didn't get all their licenses out to everyone for quite some time, but I'm sure the rest were fine.

I'm not going to attempt to predict whether or not the changes will be fixed promptly however I will say that quite a lot of these items were known issues before Espresso ever came out of beta. In fact most of the major issues date as far back as December of 2008.

Again that shouldn't necessarily be a reflection of future timelines. There might be fixes for all of these problems as soon as next week. I'm just trying to give some perspective.

If Espresso isn't unlocked. . . I want a refund! lol

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I'm still looking for (2) peeps to buy from my link: http://www.macheist.com/bundle/u/19960/ Thanks!

How does Espresso compare to Coda?

From what I've seen, the general consensus is Coda wins.
But who knows, I think it'll come down to the individual provided Espresso gets the details ironned out.
I'm holding off on Coda to see if Espresso gets unlocked.

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F everyone.  Scribbles is neat!

Hi Rustler,
Thanks for the reply.

What can Coda do that Espresso can't?
Can anyone else also elaborate on this?

Thanks!

a double espresso, please... oh must have been misunderstood the topic..

it's late i'm getting to beeeeddd ...

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Coda is an all in one solution. It features a text editor, a visual CSS editor, live previews, a terminal, reference books, FTP publishing and subversion all built into one app. It handles each of these features with arguable efficiency - some people like the resulting workflow, some don't. Because of this its not uncommon to see users pairing Coda with an external editor like CSSEdit or even an external FTP app like Transmit - even though these features are already built in.

Espresso, on the other hand, is positioned as an all in one solution though I'd argue that it's really just a text editor with FTP. There's no visual CSS editor, no version control support, no terminal or reference books and live previews really don't work as advertised. Nevertheless, it does have broader language support than Coda which could eventually make it the choice among developers focused more on scripting than interface design. Of course it should be noted that the language support is all community based. Out of the box Espresso doesn't even do PHP.

In the end there's no perfect solution (though if Espresso had CSSEdit built in, it'd be darn close as far as I'm concerned). So you're best off demoing both programs and integrating them into your workflow to see what works best.

Here's something, I've always wanted in a program like Espresso, Coda etc.

A simple image editor, for resizing, cropping, flipping, and rotating images with FTP publishing for the images. Actually, I really only need the first three features on my list.

Imagewell, does this and I used to use the free version, but I'd really like it integrated with my HTML editing tool. $20 seems high for this feature, or possibly FTP publish could be added to Acorn or Pixelmator. Wirh the slew of FTP apps I have from buying bundles over the years.

Rapidweaver does some of this, and I like Rapidweaver for quick and dirty sites based on one of their templates.

Looking forward to Espresso, I love CSSEdit.

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but, what is the red flavor in Spumoni?

Coda's a much better app now. But wait till Espresso gets some of it's current issues ironed out. It will kick ass for sure.

I hope it gets unlocked soon.

Never used coda... I use dreamweaver in source view. The autocomplete is near perfect in dreamweaver... some things I miss in espresso. When I type (font-family) in Dreamweaver it will automagically pull all the websafe fonts that I could possibly want to type, espresso does not. Even bigger deal is when you create ID's in your CSS such as #masthead and then you go to a html document that has that style sheet linked, dreamweaver will show you all the div's you have created when you type ( <div id=" ) but espresso does not, you just have to memorize what you named them all (which on a big project is almost impossible). Do we think this is something they will add in the future?

Thanks for the replies folks!

I've been following the Espresso betas--since before the betas were available, I read an interview on some web design blog somewhere (there are so many....) with some web designer (there are so many....) who is half my age and twice as attractive (there are so, so, SO many...), who was gung-ho for this new thing called Espresso from the folks who made CSSEdit. (He used Coda + CSSEdit, but couldn't wait for Espresso to drop.) So I've been waiting for it too, ever since I got a glimpse of it. (1.0b1 was nothing to write home about, though, especially if you used it to do the writing!)

Still, I think Espresso has nowhere to go but up, and it's going to show Coda what that name really means: Italian for "the end." I'm thrilled to see Espresso in the bundle, and quite honestly, I thought it'd unlock before now, but here's to hoping that the next 5 days bring enough last-minute sales to do the trick!

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Maybe, maybe not. Dreamweaver brings with it the power of Adobe's (and, Macromedia's before that) intellectual property and corporate attorney resources. Adobe could easily hold patents on all the features you just cited, ensuring that Coda or Espresso or SEEdit Maxi II or anyone else in the playing field could never use those same technologies--without devising a different way of doing it entirely separate from Adobe's--unless they license Adobe's code for a large amount of money. It's why MacHeist is here: not only to give Mac fans a little fun, but also to support independent Mac developers. They've really got a disadvantage when it comes to competing against Microsoft, Adobe, Apple, Roxio, etc., of the world.

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Team ORANGE!

For me the bottom line is Espresso is cheap enough as part of this bundle to be almost no risk and that competition in this market space is likely to be good for both Coda and Espresso.

Certainly for those of us doing a little coding in our spare time rather than working professionally Espresso or Espresso plus CSSEdit sounds more than adequate (though a few of the features people have picked up on as missing - especially mossimac mentioning no autocomplete of defined div ids - would seem to be gaps which need to be filled sooner rather than later).

Wel said, Calamaro. Cod with CSSEdit and Transmit is my workflow. It's annoying not have them all in one effectively.

There you go, lad, keep as cool as you can

I agree and I pray u are right! It is great as is, but defined div's and some sort of image preview like quicklook would add  a lot of polish to this fine app!

Anybody else lost hope on this ever getting unlocked?

-.-

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me

him apparently.

have patience.  you guys must have been insufferable at christmas as children.

Hi EiNZTEiN,

I have never lost faith on a macheist bundle - EVER!!!  But today, I am starting to.  It seems that the goal of $$$ to reach is too high. Making it almost impossible to unlock all the apps. 

If this one doesn't unlock, I will never rush to buy a macheist bundle anymore.  I will always wait until the last minute to make sure the apps that I want are unlocked. I think a lot of us got caught in the idea that they always unlock, but now we know that this is not true.

Anyway, at least some of the money goes to help charities.

If Espresso won't unlock I want a discount also!!! 5 days left and there is still 100K left = 2500 more people must buy it. I doubt it'll happen. Wasted my money on all this crap for one Espresso.

How do we know this is not true? I've never seen a bundle fully unlocked. [edit: oops, I meant that hasn't fully unlocked]