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Trials are full function copies of that software limited to a use for a period.
A trojen is a program that is installed without your knowledge.
A demo is a limited funinactily piece of crap software that wont even do what you want it to do.

Songgenie can work wounders but honestly if it cost 10 if you had a coverscout license I would definitly buy it because it works wonders.

Equinox should include a key for songgenie for this whole thing that has gone on.

~Wesley

Or just install Coverscout via Pacifist and leave Songgenie out of the install process

Two wrongs don't make a right.
But two rights do make an airplane

Or simply right click the mpkg , "Show file Contents" , then install the CoverScout3.Pkg file.

No need for pacifist.

Or simply do not include it because stuiped people dont know show file contents.

~Wesley

It's about trust, both with MacHeist and the devs of the particular bundled apps.

When I purchase and install software it comes with an inherent level of trust, as in: "I'm giving you my money and access to my machine; Tread carefully & ethically."

I don't consider cross-promotional demo stealth installs to be ethical (what else was installed?). The Equinux activation process is also overboard and intrusive.

What I've learned from this is..

1. To not purchase Equinux software.
2. To read the forum reactions to apps *before* installing Macheist bundles.

I think thats a bit uncalled for, there's large number of people intelligent or otherwise who have not have thought of looking at a package content or knew how, the same with those using MSI installers on the windows side.

app zapped it after reading this - shame that macheist included it

I give this app one thumb up for actually being able to find covers for me. Since half my music collection is my own rips, I've been a bit lazy with covers. Tagging is not an issue, so I don't need SongGenie. Either I buy MP3s with covers, or I buy CDs and tags are found in the database.

Not two thumbs, because remembering another login took me a few minutes. But I'm not going to be full of negativity over that. I'll just make a note of my login in AppShelf

It sounds to me like Equinox's intentions were good, but their execution was terribly flawed.

I did notice however, that certain parts of CoverScout's interface - i.e. the "Show in SongGenie" button that pops up next to individual track names - link to the Song Genie app, which might be why they install it alongside CoverScout, to show off that functionality.

It is that functionality, however, that I think should have just been added to CoverScout itself, or else the two apps should be sold as a single package deal.

As I mentioned in another thread concerning the registration process of this app, I'm surprised the MacHeist team did not notice this when selecting this app for their bundle. But they did a solid with this nanoBundle otherwise.

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I agree with you ... and I don't want to give them my address - wherefore they need it anyway?

Am I the only one who saw a person throwing flowers at you while reading the responses by equinuxsupport? Just they way they said it sounded...weird.

Wow. MacHeist 4. I can't believe it's actually happening.
Unfortunately, it looks like I'm sitting this one out because of aggressive version requirements. It's been real.

I'm quite new to the Mac-World. So I didn't know how to show file contents... actually I thought - when I switched from Windows to Mac - that I am now on the "good" side ... but it appears to me that it is more or less the same

Yeah, and the public transit system should buy you a new car the next time your bus is five minutes late.

Also, please spellcheck your posts before pressing submit.

John Casasanta
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I tired that and it failed on me

Yet, I tried it just on my iMac and it worked. I have no idea what happened there

Hey, I like the idea johnred. But seriously, I don't see why people are moaning. To be fair, Macheist is a steal anyway, and there is only one app that "bad" can be uninstalled anyways.

(So johnred, When do I get my new car? My bus was 6 minutes late )

Two wrongs don't make a right.
But two rights do make an airplane

At first i too was taken back by seeing an extra app and not knowing why it was there... [communication could be clearer].

However it does serve a purpose, despite how unclear their intents might have been, and that is added functionality to coverscout - so in a sense they were trying to save you a hassle from downloading the demo.

While one can argue one side or the other, and personally Im of the camp who likes software to have all it needs included in it already, the app is fairly decent.

- The main draw back I have found, as I believe I mentioned earlier, is that searches can hang, and if you want to stop a search it continues spinning regardless of your action.

- Another awkward bit is that it does fill up cache... while it is understandable that its to give you the option of not having to wait for a search reload if you choose to change photos, the likelyhood of doing so is slim, and thus would be nice to have an option to have cache cleared on quit.

- Registration, its the bane of the internet... everybody and their brother wants you to register and its quite annoying, but is not limited to this company - though in software it is again awkward for those used to the mac 'ease of use' mentality we all grew up with.

- ID3 tags... what gives?
I have read the complaints about it and that turns me off from using songgenie and I have basically stopped using coverscout afterwards trying to analyze any changes to my itunes files... [which i dont see a single change]

- Developer interaction:
I will say that the interface was kind of cool, but what impresses me more are developers who come on forums and chat, and even a couple have had updates during the nanoheist.

This kind of thing sticks to memory and Im more likely to want to use the app, thus want to upgrade, thus want to recommend, etc.

Equinux could really help things if they poked their head in here.
Sure its not fun when people seem to be 'riding' on your programs, etc.
You have to ignore the extra and see the heart of what the issue is... people will soften and there is a genuine interest there.

Anyway, I know I havent developed any apps, so these guys are already one up on me... easier to get used to things just working and forget that it does take that extra something to make a company/product stick out.

Peace

dAlen

I have to agree with jfm429, the developer should not install programs without telling you. Even if they "work together". Its not right.
I also would like to know why a software developer needs to know you address, post code, etc. I don't see it as a need for them to know. Even MacHeist, that handle load of purchases/payments, don't do this (apparently) unless you pay with card. It would be nice to have a few reasons why they do this.
I will not buy the other app, purely for the way you have tried to sell/advertise it to me.

If CoverScout and Songgenie work that great together (as meant to), what's the reason for NOT clearly stating that up front?! Why hide an advantage?!

At the moment, CoverScout looks like bait...

Personally, to put a little calmer tone on the furor about the "Song Genie silent installation debacle" - I don't think they "owe" us anything.  I'm just standing by the statement that there ought to have been some simple disclosure that there was a second app being installed.

I mean, let's be honest.  The registration thing is annoying but not out of the ordinary.  I'm more irritated about having apps installed without my knowledge.  It's simply a lesson to remember for the future.

A leson to learn the watch carefully what you buy from macheist and equnoix.

~Wesley

My bus was about 15 minutes late one day. I'm expecting a Lexus for that.

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I too am very disappointed by Coverscout's onerous activation process. I have enough passwords to remember and now they want us to set up another account on their website with all my personal information just to get the serial number for an spp I already paid for. What do they intend to do with all that information including my telephone number. I get sales calls all day long even though I am on the DNC list. I hesitate to give out my personal info to a place I never even heard of. I am not sure their app is worth it to me since I have other apps that do the same thing including Synergy, a free Yahoo Amazon Art widget and TuneUp and they all work great to get cover art. So I think I will just delete the app.

I still haven't found what I am looking for.

They've never called me, but they probably ask for product registration. I do get a stray email once in a while, and I just unsubscribed from their list. While I don't like the process (too 2003 for my tastes), I'm saying it's okay to register.

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I'm not entirely sold on the application itself - here's an example of some results I've gotten from the demo:

While hilarious, it's aggravating to think I'd have to undo this for every bootleg had I properly installed it.  AppZapper claims that I removed 2GB by deleting this and Song Genie... mostly the cache, I presume, but that's 2GB I can now use for storing burned DVDs.

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@Gsc1426 the main purpose of that activation system is incase you ever lose the serial and for pirating purposes. But I give my google voice out to companys to so I can block them if I choose.

~Wesley

@hoyaman It is a awesome application. it is really nice to have coverart to see what the album was supposed to be. Also register it and you dont get the DEMO.

~Wesley

Um, I think you missed the joke I was referencing. Also, as has been said elsewhere, you can get high-quality accurate cover art most of the time via iTunes' built-in capabilities.

If you don't have a music library of fan (legal) bootlegs and festival compilations (it has a hell of time with the massive SXSW sampler) and you don't mind (apparently) retrograding the ID tags, then it's great.

But there alternatives that work as well, and don't have the $40 price tag upfront.  No, I haven't the nanobundle II just yet.

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Oh ok my bad. ITunes wont get the mistagged music though. Sometimes iTunes flat out wont find it.

~Wesley

Seeing this discussion makes me realize how low my standards must be, as I don't have a problem with either the activation procedure and the inclusion of SongGenie.
Not that there's anything wrong with it, naturally.

Sure it was weird to see it get installed, and my first thought was "Oh, we also get SongGenie? Killer!", only to be disappointed by the fact that we don't.
On a side note I would have still trashed it since it's absolutely useless to me because of my love for incredibly obscure music.

EDIT: Forgot to mention. I used a fake street address when registering, there's no reason I should give my street address unless I'm purchasing with a credit card.
As far as equinux is concerned, I live in Nah Street in the wonderful city of Derp.

I'd be fine with the bundled download if it were loot; but I paid for this and don't need your stupid SongGenie. If I want something I will download it. It's a waste of hard drive space and they should at least include a full uninstaller (like AppZapper-esque). I agree that some people are overreacting, but I should at least be told and given the option not to install it.

Oh, and I haven't installed it yet so sorry if you are told and/or given the option.

Wow. MacHeist 4. I can't believe it's actually happening.
Unfortunately, it looks like I'm sitting this one out because of aggressive version requirements. It's been real.

hahahahaha. nice try, miss penny pincher.

Yep, the install should have definitely be optional.
It's funny that you also get to see that it's installed but you can't do anything about it. It's not like the installer just says CoverScout and then you find both in your Applications folder, nooo. You get to see that it's installing it but don't have a say, it's like it's taunting you

I haven't installed Coverscout yet and now that I read these threads about this I am sure glad that I didn't.  It is not right for a company to install another app that you didn't ask for nor want. 

MacHeist - This is not good for yall as it has kept some people from buying the bundle and in a way I don't blame them to some degree.  Also I hope you DON'T have ANY app from Equinux in MH4 or you will lose even more sales and have more pissed off people!

Go Orange Team!

@hias Mr penny pincher

Thisthread really has messed up some sales for sure and I hope they dont have any software in the next bundle to.

~Wesley

I have just dragged both to the trash as well. I don't like the idea of TROJANS being put into my Mac, eith

There still there if you just dragged them to the trash.

~Wesley

What are you talking about?

Uh, no. Applications on the Mac are bundled - all of its files required to run exist inside the icon - meaning that asides from probably just a preference file, you're literally removing that application. It's not Windows.

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Check your Library/Applications Support folder... A lot of apps leave stuff there and some leave a lot of it.

And some even leave a little here and there, not all apps are so cleanly-behaving as was intended. That's why there's so many "uninstallers" for Mac like AppZapper etc.

Yes but that's only if you actually run them, if you drag SongGenie to the trash without even opening it first the Application Support folder should be clean.

I think song genie should be included in the bundle along with CoverScout

I asked Equinox for a discount on SongGenie, here is my request and their response:

Hello. I obtained a copy of CoverScout 3 with the MacHeist nanoBundle 2 and am
really enjoying it. In looking at your other software I'm am impressed with your
company and its dedication to the Mac platform. I am much interested in SongGenie
to accompany CoverScout. However, being poor, I have a limited budget that I'm
able to spend on software. Although $29.95 U.S. is not a fortune, I really can't
spend that much. I was wondering if it'd be possible for you to help me out by
allowing me to buy a license for SongGenie for $15, $12 or even $10. As an
enthusiast of Mac software, I try to support developers of great software that I
like, such as your company. It'd be so wonderful if you could help me out as well. Thanks in advance.

And this is the response they sent me:

Hi Noah,

Thank you for your message. My name is Robert and I am happy to help.

Unfortunately I cannot offer any discounts on this software at this time. I
appreciate you are an existing customer of ours.

If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to contact us again.

Kind regards,
Robert

Considering how they appear to work you might have had better luck referring to them including it in MacHeist-download already but "forgotten" to give you the license for it.

I seriously doubt either would happen from a company like Equinux though, the way they behave.

You should have linked to this thread since not everyone there knows about this thread.

Yeah though alot of applications leave files and support frameworks in the System Library and in the User Library and sometimes even in other folders. Also if you look earlier in the thread one package was just a framework package lord knows where those files are.

~Wesley

"Trojan"? I do not think that word means what you think it means.

A trojan, by definition, contains a payload which is, essentially, malware - that means, a virus, spyware, adware, etc. SongGenie isn't malware, not by a long shot. The only sin that Equinux has committed here is putting together an installer which installs another piece of software without the user's consent.

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You're totally doing it all wrong, dude... just about an hour ago, I managed to talk my waitress into discounting my bowl of Chicken Étoilé by $5.

John Casasanta
MacHeist Director
tap tap tap chief

...or she seduced you to give her a great tip!

I dont think many people will ever buy anything from them again.

~Wesley

This is unacceptable and I have un-istalled coverscout, i just hope i got everything. Sometime even appzapper misses things. The registration process was a sham. Make me give them info so they can spam me to death? Why cant they just give me my code and app i paid for and give me a box to enter the code inside the app. All this registrations and bundling other pay apps is down right crooked and shady. Its like a con artist. I didn't agree to download a trial of song genie and thats what I got. I don't care if its a big deal. this isn't windows and i refuse to pay for an app just to have 2 others install with it asking for root access. Forget you coverscout, Ill never use you or your developers again. Maybe not  even macheist. They should of verified this bundle. And they obviously thought it was ok. Im sure MacHeist looked over what they was given. Im sure Macheist had to give the ok or at least knew it was gonna happen. I now don't trust Machesit either. They next machesit bundle will make or break them for me. If the next bundle is good, ill continue to use macheist. If its the same crooked crap, ill never use them again.

So, I'm still leery of installing CoverScout, as they(equinux) seem to feel that access to my computer is no big deal.

I now regret that I gave MacHeist a good email address when I purchased the bundle.  Who knows what equinux will do with it.

I've been reading their privacy policy, and it seems to be rather vague about what information they save, and how they use that info.  Does anyone know if Coverscout sends info on the contents of your iTunes Library through equinux servers? 

The Equinux site instructs you to carefully read the user agreement included with the software before installing, however the installer has no user agreement attached. Except, that is, for a short disclaimer.
I have not been able to find any sort of user agreement available on equinux.com. Has anyone else?

GO TEAM ORANGE!!!!!

I second that. Please consider this post an application to divert all my portion of the purchase price that went to Equinux - to any charity on the list.

These kinds of tactics make one to never want to have anything to do with this company again.

I made that suggestion early on in the sale, however when you think about it the process of diverting that 25% would cost more than than the actual giving to charity which right now is mostly automatic. Also pretty sure MH has some form of contract with the developer for the bundle sales, regardless if members choose to use a particular app or not. (ie: We bought a bundle, not a bunch of 1.81$ priced apps)