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Here's what you guys need to understand:

1. You bought a license to Tweetie 1, and were promised inclusion in a Tweetie 2 beta program. No date was ever released describing when this beta program would begin. A time frame of around a month was given, but nothing was ever set in stone. If you want to argue in futility that you are obligated this instant to either beta access or even news about said beta access via some non-binding, vague statement about the timeframe of a beta project - a beta, for god's sake, not even stable software - feel free to fight and lose.

2. You bought a gaggle of other applications in this bundle. You cannot ask for all or even part of your money back. You are entirely unaware of how the money was distributed behind the scenes, and I'd guesstimate that anyone who asked for a refund based on the Tweetie 2 nonsense would continue happily using the other applications they purchased - most of which were valued at $20 or higher on their own. It makes you sound like you're looking for an excuse to rob some developers of their hard-earned money. Perhaps you should return all of your licenses, then, including your Tweetie 1 license, under those conditions. If that sounds less appealing, that's because you didn't actually buy Tweetie 2, and yet you're asking for your money back.

3. You people have absolutely no concept about the kindness of developers. MacHeist is a marketing opportunity, not a money-making opportunity. The money to be had is mostly with repeat customers and the word of mouth buying that occurs post-bundle, where prices are back to normal. The developers are basically sucking your dicks for publicity. Don't piss on their faces.

Furthermore, if you purchase software, you should not expect updates when you want them. The developer has the sole discretion at all times whether or not to update their software. But when you pay for something, you pay for it as-is, and not with the expectation that something will be fixed or upgraded in the future. If you bought Tweetie - some of you even for the second time - for the "exclusive beta access," you were misled from the start. In the realm of software, it's never wise to purchase based on future expectations, or even potential, unless there has been some kind of literal guarantee that the software will be updated.

Loren provides no such guarantee. From the level of communication he's demonstrated, I highly doubt Tweetie 2 is far along. But it doesn't matter - you paid for Tweetie 1. You cannot ask for your money back for that which you were not promised. You also cannot ask the developer to speak out - what obligation does he have to tell you the status of his work? How many developers do you know, outside of the Mac indie community, that frequently update on the status of new versions of their products?

You were not promised Tweetie 2. You were promised inclusion in an eventual beta program. You weren't even promised that the beta program would happen, and there were no written terms stating anything about it. Are you upset that the developer is not giving his express attention to you to let you know the status of his software? Maybe he's busy working on it. Or not. Either way, you got what you paid for. So please stop whining.

You all got precisely what you paid for. Use your software and be happy. It's not that big of a deal.

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since I can post a link i'll tell you word for word what it said we were receiving and when.

Im not upset at the developer Im upset with people telling us what were not getting when we were promised it and telling us to eat it!

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"As a MacHeist  customer, you're not only receiving a free upgrade to the upcoming, highly anticipated Tweetie 2 - we've also arranged exclusive access to the pre-public beta for you guys! Have fun using the best Mac Twitter client now... and stay tuned for an email from us in about a month with your invite to the future of Mac tweeting."

I never got an email with even a status as to Tweetie 2 but I do believe many people bought this pack as to this statement "free upgrade to the upcoming, highly anticipated Tweetie 2"

So you expect status updates regarding all other products that MacHeist has sold as well?  Gimme a break!

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So wait, someone is calling us "fanbois" - nice spelling, lameass - because we think with common sense? Because we know MacHeist is a gateway to the applications and the developers are the ones who provide support and updates?

Fucking christ. If I knew thinking with some goddamn common sense made me a "fanboi" then I would have stopped using it a long time ago.

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Yes, you were promised an email. But where does it say that the software will be available in a month's time? And why in god's name would anybody, in their right mind, pay for software that has not been released yet that has no release date, even tentative, and whose developer had said nothing on the subject until MacHeist did for them?

The combination of very obvious things that would cause you NOT to buy the bundle for the sole purpose of being a part of some exclusive beta is overwhelming. Whoever paid twenty dollars for access to something not guaranteed to be released and whose existence was unconfirmed and never mentioned needs to think more carefully before they waste their money.

How long do you think the private beta will last? Why would people pay for buggy software... On purpose? You think the Tweetie 2 beta will be a drop in replacement for Tweetie 1, as if it's a final, usable release? And I'm sure this private beta will only last a few weeks at most. Then it's public. Worth twenty bucks?

As for the email thing again, the directorate did post a thread regarding the status a while back, so they have kept that promise, even if it wasn't an email.

Once again, nobody is out to screw you. You and many others in this thread feel like they are owed something they are not. Even if you were, it's downright petty to complain. Enjoy Tweetie 1; it's excellent software. And it's what you paid for.

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It's very difficult to read this thread, since it's filled with people who just...don't seem to have a brain.

Why complain about something that was added last minute to an already AMAZING bundle? Why complain over a piece of software that when it comes out will be free?
Tweetie 1 for Mac was free, with an optional purchase of a license to remove the built-in advertisements (Which really aren't that annoying, and I've kept them enabled.)

People need to grow up and stop acting like little babies..
Your mommies and daddies should be more careful in not letting their 12-year olds have access to their credit cards.

I am starting to be pissed about the Tweetie 2 (Mac) Private Beta still not being available.

Tweetie 1 will cease to function when twitter switches to OAuth 5 weeks and 5 days from now (www dot countdowntooauth dot com) and we still haven't gotten our hands on the private beta?

I call bullshit on this and regret having paid MacHeist for especially for the private beta access.

I am not blaming either MacHeist or Loren, i am blaming them both for even announcing something (including a timeframe as mentioned already) they obviously couldn't fulfill.

T-W-E-E-T-I-E-2 is how Vaporware is spelled.

Oh and don't tell me we're all wrong as we bought tweetie 1. Tweetie 1 was available as a free version anyways. What we bought was a needed update for tweetie (new style RT, lists etc.) throught the early access to Tweetie 2. And MacHeist marketed it exactly as that. Exclusive access to the super secret beta.
We fell for that marketing and now you're trying to tell me i was all wrong. Give me a break!

You're wrong there.
What makes you so sure that Tweetie won't be updated tomorrow or next week with OAuth enabled?
And what if they decide to name that Tweetie 2?

Is your complaining really worth it?

You're missing the point. Tweetie 1 will cease to function when Twitter switches to OAuth. Last I heard, Tweetie 1 didn't implement OAuth.

I'm not missing the point. Because Tweetie will not cease to function. THEY CAN UPDATE IT.
Give them a chance to freaking update before pissing about it.
They updated Tweetie to add the new-style retweet function.
So what's to say they can't do the minor update to fix the OAuth?

Seriously, grow up.
You have NO RIGHT to complain unless it ACTUALLY stops working.

You need to grow up. You said yourself that they can update it. They don't have to. And until they do update it to use OAuth, Tweetie 1 will cease to function. Plus, implementing OAuth isn't a job done overnight. It's going to take time. Time Loren is most likely spending working with Twitter.

And who says I have no right to complain? Is there a written law that says you cannot voice your opinion on something unless it actually stops working the way it is expected to?

The great thing about MH is that everyone has the right to there opinion, some are strong one way and some the other. I don't hold MH responsible as they are not the owners of the product. I am pretty confident that they in good faith believed what Loren told them and are probably just as unhappy about the situation as most of us are. To say that people should grow up and they have no right to complain, really are you kidding? I must have missed that silly freedom of speech ban? The funny thing to me is all the apologizers that think loren just gets a free pass no matter what, talk about your twisted views. Hey nice work with textie loren glad you could find the time.

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There is no "they" when it comes to Tweetie:Mac. It's still just Loren.

And he's not complaining, he's stating that there is a Twitter-imposed deadline that, from what we've seen, won't be met for Tweetie:Mac 1.

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You know, you can just call it Tweetie now, since there is only 1 Tweetie.

Anyway..... I think we'll see an OAuth update, but probably not Tweetie 2.

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There, that's better.

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I bet the Twitter:iPhone app is still signed as Tweetie somewhere.

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It is indeed.

In Info.plist the Bundle identifier is com.atebits.Tweetie2, also the URL schemes are Tweetie.

Tweetie appears in quite a few files actually...

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I am in no way bothered about the whole Tweetie2 debacle, but your post caused me to reply. Here is what YOU need to understand.

1. It was stated that the people who bought the Nano bundle would hear something in about a month. How hard would it be for Loren to give a 2 liner about the state of things?

2. The price of the bundle or what was included in it is irrelevant. Tweetie 2 beta access was part of the bundle, plain and simple. Some people bought the bundle on that point alone. If they are unable to get that after having paid for the bundle weeks ago, they would be annoyed. It should have been made more clear that there was no guarantee of the Tweetie2 beta. Rather, it was used as a huge lure.

3. While I agree the developers are being extremely kind, from our perspective, we are simply customers. No different, from our point of view, than walking into a retail brick and mortar store and seeing a discounted item. We still expect the same level of satisfaction whether something is on sale or full price.

I see a lot of arguments stating people should not complain because of how great a deal Macheist is. The fact is, we are still consumers paying a price. Instead of spending an inordinate amount of time trying to defend what is happening, why not try to get an update from Loren?

What a farce. Macheist, just deliver on your "promise" already or you'll never see a cent of mine again.

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Dude. If Loren doesn’t make Tweetie 2 and release it, there's nothing MacHeist can do. This isn't MacHeist's problem.

Glad to see someone has some sense.

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You're correct that there's nothing MacHeist can do, but it is a problem for MacHeist. I'm not one of those calling on MacHeist to somehow magically fix everything, but if too many of these screw-ups occur (and there have been a couple already), it calls into question the credibility of any future "coming soon" claims MacHeist may want to make. This is MacHeist's problem. It limits their promotional legitimacy.

Basically if there is a middle man that profits then it IS their problem. That's just business and that's just good customer service. They could wash their hands, true. But then that would be bad service. It's just the way business goes. It's the profit/loss and reputation/damage scale.

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You know it makes sense

Karma thinks this is so true.

Finally! Some sense being made here!

OF course, it will likely be dismissed in a few posts time as "stupid".

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The point I was trying to make here was that MacHeist cannot and does not have the right to force Loren into pushing out Tweetie 2 just to satisfy its customers. Developers, are people. Customers, are people. People, make mistakes. People, are not always perfect. People, are not always punctual. People, should always be wary of their environment and what's going on around them. True it is hard or even impossible to predict whether or not Loren would be bought out, but you can look into the situation a bit more. Tweetie 2 was promised all the way back in 2009. It's half a year (and more) late. Look at The Hit List. The iPhone version went into development eons ago. Version 1 of the desktop client seemingly vanished. Andy is a sole developer. So is Loren. And both, participated in MacHeist. In these difficult times, is it so hard to just keep your mouth shut and actually use a product you paid for while it still works? You only have about 5 weeks before OAuth. Make the best of it. Is the Tweetie 2 beta really that important to you? You are all acting like there's no tomorrow. It's as if the world would end if Tweetie 2 didn’t come out as expected. But that's life, it sucks, so suck it up and live it.

This is where you're wrong. MacHeist cannot make it go any faster and they don't have any access to the source code that I'm aware of, but they can put on the thumbscrews on this one. It's a contractual obligation on Loren's part. Or maybe it's an obligation of Twitter now, since they went and absorbed Tweetie as well as its obligations.

I should hope however that any agreement along these lines would give a timeframe for it.

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I would imagine an important point to consider is exactly what Twitter purchased from Loren.

If it were atebits in it's entirety, then yes the thumbscrews now need to be placed on Twitter.
If it were Tweetie:iPhone then Loren is still responsible.

It will be interesting to see whether Twitter have acquired Tweetie:Mac in addition to Tweetie:iPhone, as that would imply they are looking in to providing a desktop client.

Either way, unfortunately all we as members can do is to sit and wait. We just have to trust that the directorate is putting the pressure on the right people.

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I should've explained myself better. /facepalm

But if Loren fails to meet the timeframe, which is bad publicity unto him, what really happens then? An extended period?

Twitter acquired atebits. Lock Stock.

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Where did you read that?

All I've read is that they "acquire Tweetie, a leading iPhone Twitter client." http://blog.twitter.com/2010/04/twitter-for-iphone.html

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Here, though not a lot of other outlets have picked up on this.

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I'm still not sure whether or not the beta and Tweetie 2 upgrade were counted as part of the bundle, or just extras, where we were really paying for Tweetie 1, but I would think that if contractually Loren has promised Tweetie 2, then MH would have the right to withhold payment or request it back, seeing as he hasn't delivered what he promised.

Still though - IMO we paid for Tweetie 1, and the beta was just a nice thing that was gonna happen because its close to completion.  What's annoying is that Loren initially promised it within 1 month, which means it must be almost ready anyway, and he doesn't have that much extra to put in.  Thinking about this further, if he's got a job with Twitter, it means that he probably isn't meant to be working on other projects during work hours, so it might genuinely be difficult for him to finish.  I read on one blog (Twitter maybe?) that they were allowing him to continue with the desktop Tweetie, indicating that they have no interest in developing one, but let Loren finish it.

I still think he sucks for not communicating now, or before the heist, when he probably was talking to Twitter!

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I must admit, that was a very strange place to announce they were taking over Tweetie:Mac.

I'm surprised more people aren't complaining that they purchased Tweetie, and are now going to be getting software that is will contain ads, rather than the fact they're not getting access to a Beta (which, by definition, will have problems).

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Yep, and all the back and forth basically amount to 3 views:

Camp A
- MacHeist are liars!!1 I am nevar trusting/buying from MacHeist again!!1

Camp B
- If you bought the nanobundle just for access to the Tweetie 2 Beta, you're STUPID! The bundle was such a good deal, why on earth would you complain?!?! Quit complaining losers!

Camp C (I'm in this one)
- Miffed because there has been no news, not because nanobundle isn't a good deal, not because MacHeist are liars.
- Clearly access to the beta was used as a last-minute marketing push, so what if some people bought it for that? Nothing stupid about it. I like the rest of the bundle too, but Tweetie 2 pushed me off the fence.
- No support for OAuth, in addition to lack of lists, etc., in Tweetie 1 is a real issue.
- There is no reason why people can't post reasonable complaints, preferably without calling names.

Camp D
please make it stop, you're hurting my brain.

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Camp E
I don't really care. I'm just here to voice my opinion.

Camp F
Everyone needs to stop crying like babies and more on with their lives.

And while all of you are camping out in Tweetie-park...

...I'm leaving! Coffee, here I come!

I wouldnt be so pissed off it Loren actually said something. Like 'Oh had a few troubles, will be X amount of weeks/months" its just the fact that he is keeping us all in the dark.

So the question is...is atebits Loren Brichter, or is atebits the products that Loren Brichter produced? Because Twitter acquired Loren Brichter and the two Tweetie apps, but atebits also has Scribbles in its repertoire. It's a small point, but I don't see where they actually purchased atebits...

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Thank you for common sense.

Again, like Marcello, I found myself on my knees in the cold sands of a desolate beach, dizzy and ill from a year of trouble and strife.

When will the freaking beta come. want to test it.

Did anybody notice that when you post from Tweetie 1 for Mac it now shows on Twitter like you're using Twitter for iPhone app and it links to this site: http://itunes.apple.com/app/twitter/id333903271?mt=8 ?

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Damn. That's the kind of crap that makes me glad I switched to Nambu a few months ago after waiting for a year for any kind of functional update to Tweetie for Mac or acknowledgement of the concerns of the app's paying users, upon whose faith & license purchases Tweetie for iPhone was built. Totally sick of Loren's BS, and don't really care by now if the mystical beta access ever comes. Nambu does everything that Tweetie 1 for Mac can't, and TwitBird beats the crap out of the Tweetie/Twitter iPhone app.