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Heads up for those that may be interested. Panic will be releasing Coda 2 on the MAS on the 24th May a long with an iPad app Diet Coda and both will be 50% off for the first 24 hours.

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Annnd Diet Coda was announced about one day after I bought Textastic

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Ok, I'll ask the question that's going to be on many people's minds - how is Coda 2 better than Espresso?

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Will there be any differences between the mas and the non mas version?

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According to the FAQ on panic's site only the MAS version will have iCloud integration which I assume plays a role in syncing clips to the iPad app diet coda.

http://www.panic.com/coda/support.html

I would say MAS is the safest bet for now as dev's generally don't or rarely provide MAS codes to direct customers but are more likely to provide licenses to MAS customers switching to direct should they have to remove features in later MAS versions.

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Does either Coda 2 or Espresso 2 allow one to work with multiple servers simultaneously in the same window?

I tried a demo of Coda 2 and it seems like it hides the (tabs for the) files opened from one server as soon as I connect to another. The only workaround is to open a separate window for each server. It does not allow moving tabs from one window to another.

Since the visual tabs are not that useful compared to text tabs, I wonder why this restriction exists (maybe to dumb it down for people who may inadvertently modify stuff).

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I'm asking the same thing.  I'm not an expert at coding and I usually work with DW which I have had about enough of. Hey nice accurate "live previews" DW.  What was that DW?  You want more money to get accurate live previews? I don't want to get started.

Anyway, I'm trying both programs out today, but I can't do it all day and I'm on a time crunch if I want to get a good deal on Coda.  Which do you prefer?  Would it be smart to have both programs available or is this a waste of money?  I looked at Barebones software and it reminded me of my copy of TextMate.  TM is powerful, but it doesn't have the nice UI these other two have.  I also have Flux 3, which seems okay, but has a different way of doing things.

@hiredgun469: Specifically to your post, if you've used only DW and never bought Espresso or Coda (to have a bias or liking), let me add to your confusion. When I searched about Coda 2 today, I found various posts and discussions where a good percentage of people preferred Sublime Text (and yes, a significant percentage also preferred vim, but I suppose that's probably not what you'd be interested in).

While I still don't know how Espresso 2 compares with Coda 2, the following reviews of Coda provided me a lot more information than Panic's site did.

http://teamsoell.com/andy/coda2/
http://teamsoell.com/andy/dietcoda/

Panic has rarely, if ever, provided discounts on its apps. So whatever's provided now would not likely be repeated for a few years. That's a big bummer and puts so much pressure to do an impulse buy.

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I'm just getting into web development.
Learning some basic html and css.
I plan to become more experienced with web development.
Would you say i should wait until i'm more experienced, or buy now?
Thanks

I own/use: TextMate, Sublime Text 2, Espresso 2, Coda 2, Netbeans, IntelliJ IDEA.

Of those I pretty much exclusively use IntelliJ and Sublime. I also program Java hence the full blown IDE but IntelliJ is an incredible editor/debugger/interpreter and leagues above the others imo. It's downside is it's memory usage compared to a text editor. So I use Sublime for quick edits.

The best thing about Espresso 2 imo is the CSS Editor but I so far prefer Coda 2's implementation which has lost the dedicated visual css and made the whole thing a more streamlined process. But I pretty much only picked it up because it's half price and the sale of Panic apps happens once in a blue moon. Of the two Espresso 2 and Coda 2 I would choose Coda I would also absolutely get Sublime it kills TextMate imo.

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Thank you for the great article find. I also read Macworld's and Mac AppStorm's article this morning.  All reviews say it's awesome.  I have checked out Sublime Text before based off of someone I follow on Twitter.  They loved it, but for me?...

This is what I have for website code writing software:
Dreamweaver
CSSEdit
Espresso 1.0 (I think it would cost me $40 to upgrade to the demo I'm using)
Flux 3 (I think it's around $70 to upgrade to 4)
TextMate 1.5
RapidWeaver 4
ForkLift 2.5 (I think this is a great ftp program)
Flow (I don't think this even compares to FL or Transmit)
and some other odd little web programs.

I think I might just say F-it and get the Coda program because of all the reference books that it comes with and the fact that it has a simple MySQL editor built in.  Plus, after reading all the little complaints about what's missing or what could be improved and knowing that they want to make everyone happy, I believe I'll see a lot of upgrades to make this happen.  Also, with me doing all this research and trying things out, I'm losing more money than what I'd be spending.  Get'r done.  LOL.

How close are you to pulling the trigger?

^^^ Espresso 1.x to 2.x upgrade should be $29, not $40.

Looking at an older page comparing Coda 1.x with Espresso 1.x, Coda 2 doesn't seem to have improved a lot. http://www.mactalk.com.au/20/93919-espr … tched.html

For MySQL, a much better option is the free/donationware Sequel Pro. Coda 2's implementation is "rough around the edges" is what I've read.

Sublime Text seems to be the best option now, more so with a trial that's not time limited. Here's a long set of videos explaining the workflows for ST:
http://tarantsov.com/blog/2012/02/subli … -espresso/

I haven't yet watched the videos, but plan to do it soon.

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You were correct at $29. I'm using a demo I installed months ago and it's running as if I own it.  But I don't and it says in one of the  top menus that I can "unlock" Espresso?  Anyway I bought Coda for now to just be done with it.  I'll give it some time and if nothing else I'll pay another $29 and upgrade my Espresso.  My goal is to never open up DW again.  It's unfortunate I have to spend so much money on Adobe's Master Suite when I want to yank out that DW.

I watched the ST vids and my eyes reminded me they have a sweet tooth.  They need at least some eye candy.  ;-)

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For someone who's only ever used Rapidweaver but had "Learn proper web programming" on his todo list for a couple of years is this worth snapping up?

From the reviews it seems remarkably complex, it there a feasible learning path to start with Coda2 from scratch?

Obviously this is time-critical.

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@BigMark: Do you work with multiple servers/sites? If yes, then you should know that Coda does those as one window per site/server, which looks a bit annoying for me. Are you interested only in HTML, CSS and JavaScript (and probably PHP)? If yes, then Coda 2 or Espresso 2 may be fine. Once you go to other languages, these tools may seem limiting.

I'm guessing you probably have Espresso 1.x from the MH 3 bundle. An upgrade to Espresso 2.x is $29, compared to the current "one day" sale price of $49 for Coda 2. Both MacRabbit and Panic have been very slow to develop and provide new features and products. Although Panic has stated that it would try to release things more often, it has to be seen in reality.

If you're really serious about "web programming", then going to basics would help (ditch RapidWeaver or similar template based tool or WYSIWYG system like DreamWeaver).

With any new system, especially tools like Coda 2 or Espresso 2, you would have to spend some time to understand the interface and what can be done with it (efficiently). After that, you can graduate to a more powerful setup, going a bit more "low level" with TextMate, an FTP client and so on. As I see it, neither Coda 2 nor Espresso 2 are intuitive tools for newbies. This is where reviews and tutorials by others help.

Like you, I noticed that Coda 2 is still at $49, which probably means it will be at the price until late morning US Pacific Time (when the Panic guys get to work). Based on my experience with the demo download and some other reviews, I'm passing on Coda 2. I know Panic may never offer it at this price again.

I'm going to try Sublime Text 2 (see the link I posted above) and see how that works out. It may not look good like Coda 2 or Espresso 2 and would probably have a slightly different/longer learning curve, but if it has a better workflow (which I learned from some sites as easily customizable), it may be worth the time spent on it. When people swear (or used to swear) by TextMate or vim (or even emacs), it's for the power these tools offer, not the eye candy. Check out the videos linked above for Sublime Text and see if the tool seems like something you can learn or use.

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@BigMark, if you want to learn web programming, you have to get out of RapidWeaver first. I used RW 3.x from one of the MH bundles, bought several themes and plugins (upgraded to RW 4 too), but it never seemed powerful enough. In order to provide flexibility, the themes and plugins add a lot of bloat. I gave up on it once I saw the bloat and had to anyway resort to hand coding to reduce the bloat and have some flexibility that could never be provided by a tool like RW.

RW is a good tool for those who cannot or do not want to learn in depth about website development and are happy with the semblance of flexibility (within the limitations imposed by the themes and plugins) in exchange for bloat. But it will always be limited by what the developers of themes and plugins accomplish, whereas more powerful tools (Coda, Espresso, TextMate, vim, Sublime Text, BBEdit...) free the user to make anything.

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@Mil

Thanks for the in-depth reply.

I have viewed the videos about and thought that Sublime would be a little confusing to start with, almost too customisable for a newbie.

I work on the odd web-site one at a time as & when I need them.  Rapidweaver is extremely limiting, but you can output something fairly presentable quickly.  What I want to do next is to be able to create a site as I imagine it, not simply following the templates, rules & restrictions of RW.  I'm wondering whether someone who hasn't really taken any steps at all in proper website programming for the web (but with good VBA skills in his history) could start with Coda2 and actually work something out.

I'm thinking I'll also pass on the CODA2 offer, I also have getting to grips with X-Code/Cocoa on my ToDo list and that appeals to me more.  However, my motivation on website creation/modification usually comes from a very specific need or requirement that appears, things that Rapiweaver doesn't really have the flexibility to deal with.

Thanks again,

Mark.

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Does anyone have experiencing in using Coda 2 with Wordpress or Drupal in terms of either editing the PHP files or coding themes? What's the workflow like?

Are there any Coda 2 forums?

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Hold on to your money for now.  Coda 2 has many bugs and it's still lacking some basic necessary features for a good workflow.  I am sure Panic will be updating it soon and make it worth the purchase, but as it stands, is not worth it for now.  I purchased it and I am regretting every minute of it.  It feels and behaves like beta software.  Make sure to download and carefully evaluate the DEMO if you are thinking of purchasing.

But do keep an eye on Coda2.  I am hoping that it will get much needed improvements in the near future.  Panic is a good company and they do work hard on their products.

I bought it knowing that it was going to have hiccups and knowing that they would fix it in a timely manner.  I figure I'd buy it now rather than wait a month or two or whatever and then have to fork over another $50.  Even if I don't use it right away it doesn't matter, because if I didn't buy it, I wouldn't be using it anyway.  I seen the immediate purchase sorta like an investment.

Not saying that you putting it off till later was a bad idea, just saying how I seen it.  Who knows, I may end up going back to Espresso. Then at that point it was a bad investment... or was it?