johnred wrote: CTYankee wrote: macpug18 wrote:
I've heard complaints against MH because of this, but you've gotta remember, these guys promised MH the same thing they promised us...that a beta was "close" or something like that....not too far off, just down the road, and all that crap. We can't fault MH for that.
Getting the Beta preview and free 2.0 was indeed MH idea. They asked MA for this and they reluctantly agreed (big mistake). Aparently MH didn't ask to see a working version of 2.0 or notice that it was far from ready. So MH is absolutely responsible for part of this mess. The fact is MH does not do much background work for these. They send out emails and chats asking for developers to join them. Thats is. No contracts or homework to make sure we don't get the shaft. They hype things to no end make make promises they don't deliver on: Cha-Ching 2.0, referral prizes for the retail bundle, referral system that doesn't work then they don't respond (Still waiting for a reply from the emails and PMs I sent regarding my second referral last year).
I hope they learned from these mistakes and MH 3 has a refined referral process and signed contracts in place with developers. I'm skeptical since everything these guys touch seems to suffer from this same lack of professionalism.
What the hell are you talking about? You have no idea about our conversations between us and them yet you state stuff you've pulled out of your ass as fact. You do this often and I don't recall *ever* seeing one single positive thing come from you.
As far s the "no contract" BS goes, we always had binding contracts. It's a ton of work to pull something like MacHeist together but we do our best to make it a great experience overall. But sometimes there'll be a loophole that someone will try to exploit, unfortunately. When there was a discrepancy with one of the apps for MacHeist II, I worked my ass off to get all of you what you paid for.
And you never PM'd me about any referral issue. If you did I would've remembered because seeing your name would've been a giant red flag for me. I just went through all my PMs for the past year to confirm this. If you feel like you've been cheated in some way, PM me for real this time and I'll be more than willing to give you a full refund.
Me and my unprofessional ass are going back to working on MacHeist 3... you, on the other hand, can go to hell.
P.S. Yeah, I know I'm opening up a can of worms here and this will likely lead to 100 back and forth responses between us but I simply have no tolerance for people who seem to get pleasure out of constantly shitting on others and I refuse to get pushed around by you.
Ignoring the temperament of your post I'll explain:
1. Contracts. Several developers confirmed to me in private emails that there was no written agreement. There were even posts made on here explicitly talking about this lack of a contract and implicit acknowledgement of this from MH (ie not providing evidence of a contract or even adressing the issue).
If there were contracts, then I'm very confused why nothing was said about this given that was at the heart of the SD issue.
2. Referral issue. You are correct, I did not PM you. I PM'd Phil and emailed some other address.
Your reply is unfortunate and can only increase my perception of unprofessionalism. I am not trying to push anyone around, just mentioning facts as I have been told by those involved (the developers here and via email and yourself on these forums). Am I a skeptic? Yes. The bungling mess that is Midnight Apps and CC 2.0, the crazy sandbox fight that was Speed Download 5, the vaporware of MDA and the nonsense that finally ended it...that is why there seems to be an element of unprofessionalism.
For what it is worth, John. When you are on your game you are very good. However it seems details slip through the cracks that cause problems, problems arise, and perhaps your temper gets the best of you initially? If it seems I have nothing good to say, it may be because I really don't exist in the middle ground. I hold people accountable when they don't deliver (CC) and hold them up high when they do (Moneywell).
I won't drag this out, but just wanted to explain why I said what I said. I'll let you get back to work. I know you can deliver a great program, and I really did mean it when I said I hope the lessons from last year will be reflected in this years program. Sorry if my comments were too personal.