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thekryz

thekryz

Gearhead

from Germany, Deutschland, Alemania
93 posts

ahhhhh... I was too late sad Nice though ^^ Looking forward to MH3 big_smile

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December 16, 2008 6:44 am

faryl

Tinkerer

from San Diego, CA
25 posts

am i too late to join?

Go Green Monkeys!

December 16, 2008 6:53 am
newsdork

newsdork

Sky Pirate

from Tennessee
1,477 posts

I hate being notified with the answer on twitter. drat. Good job looking up north, guys.

Sometimes I feel so blue
It makes me twitter.

December 16, 2008 7:22 am
ATMB

ATMB

Urchin

from Bologna
3 posts

I'm in too.. smile

December 16, 2008 9:55 am
patrick1985

patrick1985

Gearhead

from Gelsenkirchen Germany
68 posts

December 16, 2008 10:07 am
devnull000

devnull000

Automaton Tech

from Earth
111 posts

Is it cheating to look at the html source? I found what appears to be 4 images (so far). They are:
img/night-loop.jpg
img/morning-loop2.jpg
img/seedling-night.jpg
img/seedling-day.jpg
So does this mean the heist starts tomorrow?
Here's hoping!

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December 16, 2008 10:16 am
WhiteFang

WhiteFang

Dirigible Captain

from a cliff in the arctic ocean.
2,847 posts

devnull000 wrote:

Is it cheating to look at the html source?

Absolutely not - that's one of the requirements for some of the heists wink

devnull000 wrote:

So does this mean the heist starts tomorrow?
Here's hoping!

Probably not - let's give the seedling some time to grow smile

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December 16, 2008 10:34 am
johnred

johnred

Directorate

1,869 posts

WhiteFang wrote:
devnull000 wrote:

Is it cheating to look at the html source?

Absolutely not - that's one of the requirements for some of the heists wink

Since when? I can't recall a single heist or mini-heist where we had people view source and we always consider it cheating.

In any case, this currently isn't a mission so view all the source you want. Just don't look in the /gifts directory, please.

John Casasanta
MacHeist Director
tap tap tap chief

December 16, 2008 10:50 am
WhiteFang

WhiteFang

Dirigible Captain

from a cliff in the arctic ocean.
2,847 posts

Umm... wasn't there a heist where the hints were actually embedded in the web-page so you _had_ to watch the source ?

I think it was...

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December 16, 2008 10:59 am
johnred

johnred

Directorate

1,869 posts

WhiteFang wrote:

Umm... wasn't there a heist where the hints were actually embedded in the web-page so you _had_ to watch the source ?

I think it was...

I don't recall that one.

John Casasanta
MacHeist Director
tap tap tap chief

December 16, 2008 11:12 am
kongobongo

kongobongo

Automaton Tech

443 posts

The tree looks so small and christmas is so soon....

Plastic Fish Never Die

December 16, 2008 11:16 am
Warbrain

Warbrain

Dirigible Captain

from Not here.
6,982 posts

To be honest...I'm kind of glad I missed this.

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December 16, 2008 11:39 am
simonandmartina

simonandmartina

Automaton Tech

from South Korea
429 posts

Who's Hubert?

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December 16, 2008 11:42 am
Pace

Pace

Automaton Tech

from Brussels, Belgium
311 posts

WhiteFang wrote:

Umm... wasn't there a heist where the hints were actually embedded in the web-page so you _had_ to watch the source ?

I think it was...

I think so too, though it was some time ago. Maybe even MH1.

simonandmartina wrote:

Who's Hubert?

To cut a long story short, Hubert was the monkey who led to MH1. Linked to MyDreamApp, MacHeist, …

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December 16, 2008 11:51 am
JPDyson

JPDyson

Moderator

3,580 posts

johnred wrote:
WhiteFang wrote:

Umm... wasn't there a heist where the hints were actually embedded in the web-page so you _had_ to watch the source ?

I think it was...

I don't recall that one.

You didn't have to look at the source for any heist - though, it's what I did for one of them. After checking the source, you realized there was a text field which was intentionally undersized to obscure its contents. You could have tabbed through the page to find the field, or used the inspector.

In either case, the source itself had a comment to the effect of "View Source is cheating."

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December 16, 2008 12:08 pm
definetheline

definetheline

Sky Pirate

from Canada
1,512 posts

jpdyson wrote:
johnred wrote:
WhiteFang wrote:

Umm... wasn't there a heist where the hints were actually embedded in the web-page so you _had_ to watch the source ?

I think it was...

I don't recall that one.

You didn't have to look at the source for any heist - though, it's what I did for one of them. After checking the source, you realized there was a text field which was intentionally undersized to obscure its contents. You could have tabbed through the page to find the field, or used the inspector.

In either case, the source itself had a comment to the effect of "View Source is cheating."

Exactly. That was part of the Billy Hull heist. And if I recall, in the Sherlock Holmes & Watson heist we hit a dead end, but solved it by looking at the code (plus some hints from the Directorate in the IRC).

BTW, John, I think you forgot to renew: http://billyhull.com/ smile

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December 16, 2008 12:55 pm
newsdork

newsdork

Sky Pirate

from Tennessee
1,477 posts

Yes, I remember that one...I viewed the source, and then once I had solved the heist, I went back and realized how it was *supposed* to be done. We had to reveal the text on the original web page somehow, but it was designed to be solvable without looking at the source.

Sometimes I feel so blue
It makes me twitter.

December 16, 2008 12:59 pm
WhiteFang

WhiteFang

Dirigible Captain

from a cliff in the arctic ocean.
2,847 posts

Oh, ok... I just remember seeing it mentioned in the backroom.

Then, I've done similar "heists", f.ex. in security courses at school, so I may be mixing things up (I wouldn't be surprised).

Anyways, if I am mixing things up, then I owe you John my sincerest apologies - and reiterate what you said - "looking at the source is considered cheating" - I'll remember that smile

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December 16, 2008 1:22 pm
awojtowski

awojtowski

Gearhead

from Oshkosh, WI
72 posts

And it begins. Another month of lost work and relationships.

Man I love Macheist!

December 16, 2008 1:59 pm
apt213

apt213

Automaton Tech

from Austin, TX
205 posts

I am SICK that I missed this. Even a teaser heist would have been fun.

Thanks for making the trek on my behalf, gang!

Diane, this case gives me a strange feeling... this is one of Cole's blue rose cases.

December 16, 2008 2:22 pm
Warbrain

Warbrain

Dirigible Captain

from Not here.
6,982 posts

Well...I suppose that if I end up snowed in tonight or don't go anywhere because of the impending weather in Chicago I'll record a podcast episode...

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December 16, 2008 2:24 pm
mfwit

mfwit

Tinkerer

from Exton, PA
48 posts

Warbrain wrote:

Well...I suppose that if I end up snowed in tonight or don't go anywhere because of the impending weather in Chicago I'll record a podcast episode...

If you need any assistance I will be here.

As for this heist, why does the fun always start when I'm not around.

Oh well, I am here now.

-matt
twitter

December 16, 2008 4:07 pm
Warbrain

Warbrain

Dirigible Captain

from Not here.
6,982 posts

mfwit wrote:
Warbrain wrote:

Well...I suppose that if I end up snowed in tonight or don't go anywhere because of the impending weather in Chicago I'll record a podcast episode...

If you need any assistance I will be here.

As for this heist, why does the fun always start when I'm not around.

Oh well, I am here now.

I'll let you know.  Might just be a quick explanation of what happened.  For the real heists, however, help will be needed.

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December 16, 2008 4:33 pm
mfwit

mfwit

Tinkerer

from Exton, PA
48 posts

Warbrain wrote:
mfwit wrote:
Warbrain wrote:

Well...I suppose that if I end up snowed in tonight or don't go anywhere because of the impending weather in Chicago I'll record a podcast episode...

If you need any assistance I will be here.

As for this heist, why does the fun always start when I'm not around.

Oh well, I am here now.

I'll let you know.  Might just be a quick explanation of what happened.  For the real heists, however, help will be needed.

Sounds good.

-matt
twitter

December 16, 2008 4:35 pm
blue_fireball_eater

blue_fireball_eater

Moderator

from Chicago
2,797 posts

Alright, I have been watching this little tree for 12 straight hours and nothing has changed at all; no growing, no swaying in the wind, and no clues.
Hey, what gives?

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December 16, 2008 6:07 pm
macmuse

macmuse

Big Game Hunter

from Pittsburgh-ish
580 posts

It's got some daylight now... give it some time. (-;

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December 16, 2008 6:14 pm
johnred

johnred

Directorate

1,869 posts

jpdyson wrote:

You didn't have to look at the source for any heist - though, it's what I did for one of them. After checking the source, you realized there was a text field which was intentionally undersized to obscure its contents. You could have tabbed through the page to find the field, or used the inspector.

In either case, the source itself had a comment to the effect of "View Source is cheating."

Or the 3rd alternative... using the clues. Of course if thousands of people all miss it then we made it too hard.

John Casasanta
MacHeist Director
tap tap tap chief

December 16, 2008 6:17 pm
mjweb

mjweb

Sky Pirate

from coast2coast
2,343 posts

@ apt213 - it was a rush
@ warbrain - you were missed

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December 16, 2008 6:24 pm
definetheline

definetheline

Sky Pirate

from Canada
1,512 posts

What's worse—viewing the source, or looking in the Backroom?

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December 16, 2008 6:25 pm
rampancy

rampancy

Moderator

from Denial.
3,890 posts

jpdyson wrote:

You didn't have to look at the source for any heist - though, it's what I did for one of them. After checking the source, you realized there was a text field which was intentionally undersized to obscure its contents. You could have tabbed through the page to find the field, or used the inspector.

In either case, the source itself had a comment to the effect of "View Source is cheating."

You're likely right but I think I remember one step to one of the unofficial heist walkthroughs which involved looking through html source code...but I think that was an unwitting workaround for browser-related issues because some people (like me) tried the heist on a browser other than Safari and it didn't work properly.

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December 16, 2008 6:30 pm
mjweb

mjweb

Sky Pirate

from coast2coast
2,343 posts

johnred wrote:

Of course if thousands of people all miss it then we made it too hard.

A random sample will have the aptitude to solve almost any clue so long as it's solvable. There's power in numbers! I've wasted hours scouring source code only to find the answer in the the back room.

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December 16, 2008 6:33 pm
alloutmacstoday

alloutmacstoday

Big Game Hunter

from The Dark Side of Oz
615 posts

Back to the actual topic smile

The giving tree is getting a lot bigger...

Back off topic:

I think this is like a board game (as an analogy). There is a set of rules that you are supposed to follow. Without the rules, it can be no fun sometimes. Some very good hacker could potentially hack into MacHeist and find how the missions will work, but that just ruins the point of MacHeist. The point is the fun and excitement, not actually the solving part. It's really the process that is taken.

So sure, there are shortcuts, but they are just not as fun.

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December 16, 2008 6:46 pm
JPDyson

JPDyson

Moderator

3,580 posts

PS, the tree has grown some...

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December 16, 2008 7:29 pm

dmdzine

Big Game Hunter

638 posts

I'm guessing it starts tonight.

December 16, 2008 7:38 pm
JPDyson

JPDyson

Moderator

3,580 posts

Hmm... bad night for me, but I'm just a user smile

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December 16, 2008 7:55 pm
Warbrain

Warbrain

Dirigible Captain

from Not here.
6,982 posts

We'll see how far along it comes...

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December 16, 2008 7:57 pm
cypher

cypher

Automaton Tech

from UK
479 posts

Its definitely grown now

December 16, 2008 8:13 pm
apt213

apt213

Automaton Tech

from Austin, TX
205 posts

Sure would be comical if On The Job had a secondary tracker that would log the time I've spent hitting reload on that tree while I'm supposed to be coding.

Diane, this case gives me a strange feeling... this is one of Cole's blue rose cases.

December 16, 2008 8:19 pm

dmdzine

Big Game Hunter

638 posts

apt213 wrote:

Sure would be comical if On The Job had a secondary tracker that would log the time I've spent hitting reload on that tree while I'm supposed to be coding.

Try Slife tongue

December 16, 2008 8:27 pm
Kriana

Kriana

Staff

from Somewhere over the rainbow...
401 posts

definetheline wrote:

What's worse—viewing the source, or looking in the Backroom?

DEFINITELY looking at the source.

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December 16, 2008 8:30 pm
apt213

apt213

Automaton Tech

from Austin, TX
205 posts

dmdzine wrote:
apt213 wrote:

Sure would be comical if On The Job had a secondary tracker that would log the time I've spent hitting reload on that tree while I'm supposed to be coding.

Try Slife tongue

I said "comical." Not "helpful!" Tee hee!

Diane, this case gives me a strange feeling... this is one of Cole's blue rose cases.

December 16, 2008 8:31 pm

dmdzine

Big Game Hunter

638 posts

And now it's night. smile

December 16, 2008 9:01 pm
rampancy

rampancy

Moderator

from Denial.
3,890 posts

cypher wrote:

Its definitely grown now

That's what she said!

...before pointing and laughing at me. sad

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December 16, 2008 9:06 pm

dmdzine

Big Game Hunter

638 posts

rampancy wrote:
cypher wrote:

Its definitely grown now

That's what she said!

...before pointing and laughing at me. sad

LOL!

December 16, 2008 9:08 pm
spyker3292

spyker3292

Sky Pirate

from WI
1,728 posts

I get to work till 10:30 tonight (woohoo!...). So if anything happens tonight, it better be around 11 CST. I have a feeling it will grow once per day, so I don't think it'll start tonight.

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Go Green Monkeys Go!

December 16, 2008 9:11 pm
macmuse

macmuse

Big Game Hunter

from Pittsburgh-ish
580 posts

and I'm reminded of why I leave IRC at times.

<sigh> boys...

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December 16, 2008 9:12 pm
BigMark

BigMark

Sky Pirate

from Kent, UK.
1,553 posts

Accidently drank far too much beer due to slow service in a restaurant tonight, so difficult to follow this but the fact it's definitely got bigger is encouraging.

If it's all solved by morning I've missed it smile

Mark.

December 16, 2008 9:13 pm

dmdzine

Big Game Hunter

638 posts

BigMark wrote:

Accidently drank far too much beer due to slow service in a restaurant tonight, so difficult to follow this but the fact it's definitely got bigger is encouraging.

If it's all solved by morning I've missed it smile

Mark.

ummmm...

yeah.


Wow

December 16, 2008 9:23 pm
apt213

apt213

Automaton Tech

from Austin, TX
205 posts

Next tree update: BigMark passed out underneath the tree with a snow drift growing around him.

I can see it...

Diane, this case gives me a strange feeling... this is one of Cole's blue rose cases.

December 16, 2008 9:29 pm

dmdzine

Big Game Hunter

638 posts

apt213 wrote:

Next tree update: BigMark passed out underneath the tree with a snow drift growing around him.

I can see it...

Yes! and eventually, the tree swallows BigMark in a sudden linking of Middle Earth and our Earth, and then we will have MH3: The Return of the Killer Software Bundle!

December 16, 2008 10:10 pm
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