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KavaTunes (nanoMission 1)
I think this is a really cool idea and I will be studying some of the PHP to learn more. Thanks to KavaTunes for being a part of MacHeist.
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February 7, 2009 10:40 pm
Ok, so I clicked on Kavatunes in my loot, went to the order status, entered my computer number and I get license info for iconquer. Nothing about Kavatunes. Assistance please?
BTW, where did the iconquer come from? Was that in the last mini-pre-heist about a month ago that is no longer in my loot and not on my computer?
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February 7, 2009 11:59 pm
kbublitz wrote:
To those who asked what the purpose of this app is:
This might be useful for people who have a Nintendo Wii. I haven't tried it yet, but if it uses Flash to stream content we may have a winner here. Imagine having your music on TV - only without the apple.
Other Set-top boxes with integrated browser may work too.. It's all about sharing on your local network with some fancy interface. It is not ment to be used on the host computer.
Hope this helps
I doubt it. Are you meaning through the Opera browser that you can download on the wii? It only supports up to Flash 7 I think. I have a wii, and I go to KavaTunes on my website and it says "The browser does not support this plug-in."
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February 8, 2009 12:39 am
jopari wrote:
izdale wrote:I got KavaTunes to install on my website quite easily, and I can view my music online. But if I try to choose a song to listen to, it says "Sorry, this song is not available." My computer connects to the Internet via wifi through a router, do I need to set up port forwarding so that KavaTunes on my website can access the music files on my computer? Does that also mean that KavaTunes only works if your computer is on??
You might have to set up port forwarding, but try going to the KavaTunes preferences->Music->Share Music->Make Alias. Then rebuild your catalog. This is currently working for me in terms of streaming to my own computer, but I haven't been able to test using a different computer as I'm currently at college, where all ingoing connections are blocked.
Thanks. I was able to get it to work on my domain. On my computer, I can now go to mydomain/music and see my music and play it. But I have had other people try to do it, but they can only see my music. If they click on a song to play it, there is a blue Q under the song name.
Pace wrote:
pthompsen wrote:Thanks, Pace, for putting up the live example. Enjoyed listening to your piano compositions. So I take it that music publishing is primarily for original recordings that you own the copyrights to? From the description of KavaTunes on their website, they seem to ignore the issue of copyright. It sounds like an easy way to share music, legal or otherwise. I wonder if anyone has tried to put up their entire music library on the internet with KavaTunes, and if there was any consequences for doing so.
Glad you enjoyed the piano compositions
When you publish using KavaTunes, a message appears in the footer saying "Don't steal music", but that's pretty much the only mention on the web interface. I believe they do mention copyright somewhere else, though I can't remember where.
Still, the fact that you can't publish online without resorting to manual modifications is probably there precisely because KavaTunes would otherwise be as great a way to share music as peer to peer networks.
Pace, so are you saying that the ONLY way for others to be able to listen to your music is if you modify some of the files as in your instructions? Because as I said above, anyone not in my local network gets the blue Q under the song name and can't listen to any songs. Is that because the program isn't set up for that and you have to modify the files, or could my website host not be allowing the streaming? (Or both?)
Also, I'm guessing that the "Don't steal music" only shows if you upload your catalog with the setting to be able to download the songs. I want to have my music on my website for people to listen to, but not to be able to download since they aren't songs I wrote. So I don't have the option to download the songs checked, and I never saw that message.
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February 8, 2009 12:49 am
whats this computer number about? where do I get that from?
thanks
February 8, 2009 1:22 am
To chriscundy:
I see that that was your first post, which usually means that you are new here. To get your computer number and enter it in to get your license, you must open KavaTunes, and through the "serial number" process KavaTunes, itself will give you the computer number.
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February 8, 2009 1:45 am
tech wrote:
Ok, so I clicked on Kavatunes in my loot, went to the order status, entered my computer number and I get license info for iconquer. Nothing about Kavatunes. Assistance please?
BTW, where did the iconquer come from? Was that in the last mini-pre-heist about a month ago that is no longer in my loot and not on my computer?
I encountered the same problem 
Now I have "TWO" iConquer licenses.../sigh
I want my KavaTunes license.../cry
February 8, 2009 2:54 am
astroyuan wrote:
tech wrote:Ok, so I clicked on Kavatunes in my loot, went to the order status, entered my computer number and I get license info for iconquer. Nothing about Kavatunes. Assistance please?
BTW, where did the iconquer come from? Was that in the last mini-pre-heist about a month ago that is no longer in my loot and not on my computer?
I encountered the same problem
Now I have "TWO" iConquer licenses.../sigh
I want my KavaTunes license.../cry
iConquer is from the giving tree, and kavatunes should be there. Did you click the second window "Get my license"?
Wow. MacHeist 4. I can't believe it's actually happening.
Unfortunately, it looks like I'm sitting this one out because of aggressive version requirements. It's been real.
February 8, 2009 3:27 am
tourmania wrote:
Can someone tell me how to get my license code for kavatunes, when I go to the order page I need to put in my credit card.
You don't need your credit card. On your KavaTunes Loot page you'll see your email, and Transaction ID. Enter those on the store order page. You also need to enter your computer # which you get when you launch the KavaTunes application. When you've submitted that info a page will come up with your iConquer license. Submit the page again and you'll see your KavaTunes license.
February 8, 2009 4:33 am
harque wrote:
tourmania wrote:Can someone tell me how to get my license code for kavatunes, when I go to the order page I need to put in my credit card.
You don't need your credit card. On your KavaTunes Loot page you'll see your email, and Transaction ID. Enter those on the store order page. You also need to enter your computer # which you get when you launch the KavaTunes application. When you've submitted that info a page will come up with your iConquer license. Submit the page again and you'll see your KavaTunes license.
Maybe I'm blind but all I see on the loot page is:
Your license
Open KavaTunes to get your computer number. Enter your details and computer number on the KavaSoft order page to receive the license key.
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February 8, 2009 6:16 am
tech wrote:
harque wrote:tourmania wrote:Can someone tell me how to get my license code for kavatunes, when I go to the order page I need to put in my credit card.
You don't need your credit card. On your KavaTunes Loot page you'll see your email, and Transaction ID. Enter those on the store order page. You also need to enter your computer # which you get when you launch the KavaTunes application. When you've submitted that info a page will come up with your iConquer license. Submit the page again and you'll see your KavaTunes license.
Maybe I'm blind but all I see on the loot page is:
Your license
Open KavaTunes to get your computer number. Enter your details and computer number on the KavaSoft order page to receive the license key.
Here's what I see…
…maybe they're still being processed.
February 8, 2009 6:43 am
forevermac wrote:
astroyuan wrote:tech wrote:Ok, so I clicked on Kavatunes in my loot, went to the order status, entered my computer number and I get license info for iconquer. Nothing about Kavatunes. Assistance please?
BTW, where did the iconquer come from? Was that in the last mini-pre-heist about a month ago that is no longer in my loot and not on my computer?
I encountered the same problem
Now I have "TWO" iConquer licenses.../sigh
I want my KavaTunes license.../cryiConquer is from the giving tree, and kavatunes should be there. Did you click the second window "Get my license"?
Nope. I followed the instruction~
I entered my email and the computer number, then clicked 'Order Status'...
Then I found it gave me ANOTHER iConQuer License.../sigh
I dunno why? What should I do now?
February 8, 2009 7:17 am
izdale wrote:
Pace, so are you saying that the ONLY way for others to be able to listen to your music is if you modify some of the files as in your instructions? Because as I said above, anyone not in my local network gets the blue Q under the song name and can't listen to any songs. Is that because the program isn't set up for that and you have to modify the files, or could my website host not be allowing the streaming? (Or both?)
As far as I can tell, modifying the files is indeed the only way, because the info.php file in question uses links to files that are on your computer.
It might be that the developers preferred not to include such an option.
I believe the blue Q appears when files are unavailable, and if KavaTunes makes references to your computer, it's understandable that the files won't be available outside the local network.
izdale wrote:
Also, I'm guessing that the "Don't steal music" only shows if you upload your catalog with the setting to be able to download the songs. I want to have my music on my website for people to listen to, but not to be able to download since they aren't songs I wrote. So I don't have the option to download the songs checked, and I never saw that message.
Heh, interesting find.
Peter "Pace" Craddock
Arpia.be - twaddle, music, novels and Arpia stuff.
February 8, 2009 7:36 am
Seems like an interesting app. So I can publish my iTunes library for anyone to listen? And d/l? (hummm... that opens a few copyright questions, but thats another discussion).
I can find great use of this to publish my own music to my friends. But since the app is locked to one computer, I will wait with registering it until I decide what computer to use it on, and that can take a while. Or should I get a MacMini just to run it? Hummm.... Or can I have this run from my web hotel (unix and has php)? Now that would be great for me.
Anyhow, thanks MacHeist! 
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February 8, 2009 10:46 am
Is there a way to use KavaTunes if you don't have your own non-MobileMe website? And if there isn't, does anyone know of a free webhost that works with KavaTunes?
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February 8, 2009 11:05 am
jopari wrote:
For those with copyright concerns: you can configure the program to require a username and password, which should make it obvious that you're using it for personal use only.
Yes, but the concern is actually that you can skip that and make the library available for anyone to d/l.
And if you need to configure the program to require username and password, it means it is not set to that by default, therefore by default (?) making it possible to publish your library so anyone can access the music... that is where the concern is.
I really want to avoid a copyright discussion here, but wanted to comment on the post anyhow, just to clarify. ...sorry.
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February 8, 2009 11:13 am
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February 8, 2009 11:15 am
I felt that if you won an app (like KavaTunes) and you are a single user you can install it and register it on any of your Macs.Apparently in the example of KavaTunes I am wrong. The registration ONLY applies to one Mac. I am somewhat disappointed in this posture that the developer takes and I am wondering if this is in accord with the policies and credo of MacHeist. Shovebox and others have no such policy.Maybe an administrator can correct me if I am wrong. Perhaps MacHeist gives the developers that participate in the awards the largess to limit the Registration to one computer. I could be wrong here but I had always labored under the idea that asa Single User you could register the awarded applications on any Mac you owned.
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February 8, 2009 4:07 pm
jazzyguy wrote:
I felt that if you won an app (like KavaTunes) and you are a single user you can install it and register it on any of your Macs.Apparently in the example of KavaTunes I am wrong. The registration ONLY applies to one Mac. I am somewhat disappointed in this posture that the developer takes and I am wondering if this is in accord with the policies and credo of MacHeist. Shovebox and others have no such policy.Maybe an administrator can correct me if I am wrong. Perhaps MacHeist gives the developers that participate in the awards the largess to limit the Registration to one computer. I could be wrong here but I had always labored under the idea that asa Single User you could register the awarded applications on any Mac you owned.
Different devs have different policies on that. Its nothing to do with MacHeist.
February 8, 2009 4:49 pm
The number I got won't even work on the one computer?!?
February 8, 2009 6:13 pm
Had no problems registering once I followed the instructions here.
TIP #1: Once you have your machine number showing in KavaTunes' registration dialog box, copy the number, CLOSE the dialog box, then go to Kavasoft's web site and complete the registration process. When your registration number is displayed on their website you can click on it and it will automatically be entered into KavaTunes.
TIP #2: Even if you don't use it for the intended purpose, as cianmm mentioned it has a pretty good artwork retriever built in. Found lots of things iTunes wouldn't find (it locates via through amazon.com and maybe others).
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February 8, 2009 6:38 pm
Pace wrote:
izdale wrote:Also, I'm guessing that the "Don't steal music" only shows if you upload your catalog with the setting to be able to download the songs. I want to have my music on my website for people to listen to, but not to be able to download since they aren't songs I wrote. So I don't have the option to download the songs checked, and I never saw that message.
Heh, interesting find.
Ok, I was wrong about the don't steal music message. I thought you were saying that a message popped up when you went to publish your catalog. But on my actual webpage with KavaTunes, it does have that message at the bottom despite me not having the option to download songs.
Pace wrote:
- find "$http_music_path", and change the path to the one to the folder in which you'll be uploading all your music (in my case, "$http_music_path = 'http://www.arpia.be/kavatunes/music/';") [I also changed the "$file_music_path" in the same way, though it might not be necessary)
- next, upload all your music files to the aforementioned folder, but respect the file structure adopted by your iTunes Library (so inside the music folder, you'll find folders with the artists' names, and inside them the albums)At least, that works for me.
One other question Pace in regards to your instructions. Besides modifying certain files, are you saying that any song that you want to be available for listening outside of your network actually has to be uploaded to your website? If that's the case, what I want may be too much work, to get my entire library of music on the web for listening (but not downloading).
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February 8, 2009 8:10 pm
izdale wrote:
One other question Pace in regards to your instructions. Besides modifying certain files, are you saying that any song that you want to be available for listening outside of your network actually has to be uploaded to your website? If that's the case, what I want may be too much work, to get my entire library of music on the web for listening (but not downloading).
Yes, you need to upload the music files. Uploading an entire library is rather unreasonable, unless you have many GBs of hosting and a few days/weeks to upload them 
Peter "Pace" Craddock
Arpia.be - twaddle, music, novels and Arpia stuff.
February 8, 2009 8:26 pm
I think I'm doing something stupid as I can't seem to request my licence key.
Here is what I am doing:
1) Starting KaraTunes
2) Copying the computer Number
3) Closing KavaTunes completely
4) Clicking on the order page link in my loot
5) Entering my email (same as I use on Macheist), entering Transaction ID: 7W8109754E5303021 (as supplied on the order page, pasting Computer number I copied in step 2.
I then get error: No orders were found with the email address <my email address>
What am I doing wrong?
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February 8, 2009 8:36 pm
Thanks for the help Pace. I do actually have the necessary GB storage but if I just choose a few playlists, it wouldn't take as long to upload.
So to sum up KavaTunes for other people, if you don't have more than one computer, you probably wouldn't have a use for the normal functions of the app, unless you would rather listen to your music through a web browser 
I suppose you could maybe use the program and access your music through a gaming console with a web browser if it was on the same network, but it doesn't work with the Wii Opera browser.
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February 8, 2009 9:32 pm
February 9, 2009 4:35 am
jackiebow wrote:
Don't think i'll be using this app much, since i use a laptop and move it around a lot...but neat and worth playing with anyway :0
Yeah, I don't think I'll be using it much at all, seeing as I am currently at University where I get in trouble if I go over my allowed internet usage/month.
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February 9, 2009 6:10 am
I've got it set up on my Hack Pro desktop, serving my password-protected iTunes library directly through KavaTunes' symbolic link of my music directory to teh interwebz. Now, with a DynDNS domain name, some port-forwarding (made simple with Tomato), and a little messing around, I can delete most of the music off my laptop and stream it with any Internet connection. As someone else said, I tried setting up Jinzora with MAMP and it was such a pain in the ass that I never got around to making it work well. Thanks MacHeist!
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February 9, 2009 6:44 am
February 9, 2009 8:20 am
Haven't gotten my registration number yet, but I've tried out the app...
In all honesty, not very useful, functional, effective, efficient, or impressive (design or code-wise.)
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February 9, 2009 8:29 am
To anyone like Brian Wilson copying the computer number from Kava Tunes, don't then close Kava Tunes as it will automatically register it if you have it open!
iConquer was on the Giving Tree, and they appear to be assuming that anyone involved in this nano Mission was on the giving tree too. Cool!
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February 9, 2009 9:07 am
This app looks really cool, but has anyone received the license yet? Because the site says it will take 72 hours but I don't know if Saturday and Sunday are considered or not...(even if I'm afraid they aren't)
By the way I have a question:
my iTunes library chas up to 1000 songs and Kavatunes library has 393 songs... what's the matter?
Notice that my library is totally "organised" in the itunes music directory... so..?
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February 9, 2009 1:14 pm
Love the idea but carrying all my music around on my mac & my iPhone, I can't see why I would need it nor why anyone else would want to listen to my music.
nice app, just not for me this one.
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February 9, 2009 1:16 pm
Haven't gotten the registration e-mail either.
February 9, 2009 1:56 pm
tetoteto89 wrote:
my iTunes library chas up to 1000 songs and Kavatunes library has 393 songs... what's the matter?
Notice that my library is totally "organised" in the itunes music directory... so..?
Until you register, KavaTunes won't use your whole library.
Peter "Pace" Craddock
Arpia.be - twaddle, music, novels and Arpia stuff.
February 9, 2009 4:54 pm
I had problems getting it to work on the local machine. restarting the webserving service after switching on PHP in the app helped to get past the PHP not found page. But then I could play none of my tracks even though they were listed. Turns out to be simple, the webserver did not have read access to my music folder! So if you are having that problem make sure that you have allowed read access to you music folder.
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February 9, 2009 5:50 pm
Pace wrote:
izdale wrote:One other question Pace in regards to your instructions. Besides modifying certain files, are you saying that any song that you want to be available for listening outside of your network actually has to be uploaded to your website? If that's the case, what I want may be too much work, to get my entire library of music on the web for listening (but not downloading).
Yes, you need to upload the music files. Uploading an entire library is rather unreasonable, unless you have many GBs of hosting and a few days/weeks to upload them
Really? It seemed like it was trying to stream from my machine, just not working.
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February 9, 2009 9:45 pm
Based on what I've seen, it wouldn't appear that anyone that is using KavaTunes is getting a website running correctly.
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February 9, 2009 9:48 pm
So, I'm a little confused about this app. The only purpose of it is to be able to stream your iTunes library to your website so that people can listen to it. Which means that it probably isn't useful unless I plan on using another computer for an extended period of time and am too lazy to carry my iPod with me? (also, why not just use pandora, last.fm, or slacker?) I hate to be negative, but this just doesn't sound like an app that is even useful to the person who owns it, with the exception of making their website cooler (or publishing their own songs). Please let me know if I'm missing something here.
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February 10, 2009 2:28 am
