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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanomachy
December 23, 2008 3:23 pm
Atlas and Titan are also both satellites of Saturn.... Atlas is a tiny little potato-shaped thing (20 x 15 km) that shepherds Saturn's A-ring, while Titan is a sphere of rock and ice (larger than the Moon) that has rivers of hydrocarbons and a dense atmosphere.
But I suspect this is a digression...
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December 23, 2008 3:26 pm
LostOne wrote:
So is that the end of this "practice heist" or is there more?
I think that was it. Atlas has been found. But then again, the posting of the iChat conversation makes me wonder if there's something else. Then again, that could have been JohnRed taunting us a bit.
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December 23, 2008 3:39 pm
bensor wrote:
http://mhtitan.com/
I found it!<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="en" xml:lang="en"><head><style type="text/css">body { background: black url(http://s3.amazonaws.com/macheist/titan.jpg) no-repeat center center;}</style></head><body></body></html>
Just curious, but which page did you find this code on?
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December 23, 2008 4:17 pm
John posting the iChat wasn't a taunt - in a sense, he was admitting to a "mistake" of sorts. If Atlas isn't actually a Titan, then his reference that the server was meant to support the heavens would have properly invoked thoughts of Atlas, but not of Titans. So, in theory, if Atlas is not a Titan, we should have never found MHtitan.com based on the Atlas clue. That's all it means.
December 23, 2008 4:33 pm
jpdyson wrote:
John posting the iChat wasn't a taunt - in a sense, he was admitting to a "mistake" of sorts. If Atlas isn't actually a Titan, then his reference that the server was meant to support the heavens would have properly invoked thoughts of Atlas, but not of Titans. So, in theory, if Atlas is not a Titan, we should have never found MHtitan.com based on the Atlas clue. That's all it means.
If there's a mythology expert out there, I'd love to know the real answer here.
FWIW, Noël (aka Kriana... aka puzzly helpy girl) just loves being right (as do I, of course).
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December 23, 2008 4:52 pm
LostOne wrote:
On mhtitan.com
No, that was the answer he found in the code. I want to know where he found the code that gave him mhtitan.com.
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December 23, 2008 4:58 pm
WalrusCP wrote:
LostOne wrote:On mhtitan.com
No, that was the answer he found in the code. I want to know where he found the code that gave him mhtitan.com.
I don't know about her/him, but I went to Wikipedia, looked up Atlas which said "Atlas was the primordial Titan who supported the heavens". Atlas, Titan, supported the heavens, mhstatic.com - designed to "support the heavens". The heists usually includes clues, not necessarily codes and links.
#include <unistd.h>
#include <netinet/in.h>
void main(){int p=ntohl(0x6E696E65);int q[]={p,ntohl(0x7479),p,0xA};write(1,&q,0x10);}
December 23, 2008 5:13 pm
Sorry - I have to ask this - how is looking at source code cheating? I suppose if you're trying to figure out where or in what order to click things that might be cheating, but some of us read source code regularly. I often look at the source code of pages I'm on to help me better understand what's available for navigation, or see how a particular design trick was executed, or the like. To say "peeking at the source code is cheating" is like saying examining the stitching on handwork is cheating, or studying a painting is cheating, or feeling a piece of art for rough spots is cheating.
My two cents. Not sure why these comments have rubbed me the wrong way,
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December 23, 2008 5:38 pm
roos wrote:
Sorry - I have to ask this - how is looking at source code cheating? I suppose if you're trying to figure out where or in what order to click things that might be cheating, but some of us read source code regularly. I often look at the source code of pages I'm on to help me better understand what's available for navigation, or see how a particular design trick was executed, or the like. To say "peeking at the source code is cheating" is like saying examining the stitching on handwork is cheating, or studying a painting is cheating, or feeling a piece of art for rough spots is cheating.
My two cents. Not sure why these comments have rubbed me the wrong way,
Aym
It's just the rules as we lay them out. Sometimes it's virtually impossible to completely obfuscate things, unfortunately (it's the nature of HTML). So it's sometimes the choice between doing a cool puzzle that can be discovered by viewing source or not doing it. I'd rather choose the former.
John Casasanta
MacHeist Director
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December 23, 2008 5:57 pm
roos wrote:
Sorry - I have to ask this - how is looking at source code cheating? I suppose if you're trying to figure out where or in what order to click things that might be cheating, but some of us read source code regularly. I often look at the source code of pages I'm on to help me better understand what's available for navigation, or see how a particular design trick was executed, or the like. To say "peeking at the source code is cheating" is like saying examining the stitching on handwork is cheating, or studying a painting is cheating, or feeling a piece of art for rough spots is cheating.
My two cents. Not sure why these comments have rubbed me the wrong way,
Aym
The idea of the puzzle is usurped by looking at its source code. The point is to solve the problem, not "hack" through it.
I know, it isn't really hacking, but hopefully my point makes it through. We're meant to figure out the puzzle. notarule.com is a perfect example. Sure, looking at the source code gets you the next step, but you didn't understand the puzzle or what was being hinted. The second "rule" on that page isn't a rule at all, but rather a text box. Put your curser in it, you realize this, cmd-A/cmd-C to get the text you can't see, cmd-V into a text editor, and read.
PS: don't bother taking the next step on that particular heist - the domain is parked.
December 23, 2008 5:59 pm
johnred wrote:
jpdyson wrote:John posting the iChat wasn't a taunt - in a sense, he was admitting to a "mistake" of sorts. If Atlas isn't actually a Titan, then his reference that the server was meant to support the heavens would have properly invoked thoughts of Atlas, but not of Titans. So, in theory, if Atlas is not a Titan, we should have never found MHtitan.com based on the Atlas clue. That's all it means.
If there's a mythology expert out there, I'd love to know the real answer here.
FWIW, Noël (aka Kriana... aka puzzly helpy girl) just loves being right (as do I, of course).
It's funny to me that we cite the same source on opposite sides of the argument (both Kriana and I saying we read on Wikipedia that Atlas was/wasn't a Titan). I couldn't care less; the logical link was still there, so the hint was successful.
December 23, 2008 6:02 pm
Ok, I see I misunderstood the original post discovering mhtitan.com. It looks like he was trying to post the page or something, and it messed up and just showed the code for mhtitan.com. I thought he found the url embedded in a page source code somewhere on the site.
Sorry for the confusion.
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December 23, 2008 6:14 pm
johnred wrote:
It's just the rules as we lay them out. Sometimes it's virtually impossible to completely obfuscate things, unfortunately (it's the nature of HTML). So it's sometimes the choice between doing a cool puzzle that can be discovered by viewing source or not doing it. I'd rather choose the former.
This is a new twist. Machiest had no "rules" until your recent edict that peeking at code was cheating. Are there any other MH rules? I've never seen them posted or heard them referenced. I'm all for rules as long as everyone is on the same page. OTOH I think MH functions pretty well without rules.
December 23, 2008 6:18 pm
mjweb wrote:
This is a new twist. Machiest had no "rules" until your recent edict that peeking at code was cheating. Are there any other MH rules? I've never seen them posted or heard them referenced. I'm all for rules as long as everyone is on the same page. OTOH I think MH functions pretty well without rules.
It's not recent. We usually say in the code comments that viewing source is cheating. The issue is that it ruins the fun for the others who, even though they're in the backroom or IRC, would like to follow along on an actual solve.
So police yourselves... if anyone views source and posts it while a mission is going on, burn them at the virtual stake. I'll be smiling along from the sidelines.
John Casasanta
MacHeist Director
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December 23, 2008 6:34 pm
johnred wrote:
mjweb wrote:This is a new twist. Machiest had no "rules" until your recent edict that peeking at code was cheating. Are there any other MH rules? I've never seen them posted or heard them referenced. I'm all for rules as long as everyone is on the same page. OTOH I think MH functions pretty well without rules.
It's not recent. We usually say in the code comments that viewing source is cheating. The issue is that it ruins the fun for the others who, even though they're in the backroom or IRC, would like to follow along on an actual solve.
So police yourselves... if anyone views source and posts it while a mission is going on, burn them at the virtual stake. I'll be smiling along from the sidelines.
Does that mean that mod's can burninate posts that cite source?
December 23, 2008 6:41 pm
jpdyson wrote:
johnred wrote:mjweb wrote:This is a new twist. Machiest had no "rules" until your recent edict that peeking at code was cheating. Are there any other MH rules? I've never seen them posted or heard them referenced. I'm all for rules as long as everyone is on the same page. OTOH I think MH functions pretty well without rules.
It's not recent. We usually say in the code comments that viewing source is cheating. The issue is that it ruins the fun for the others who, even though they're in the backroom or IRC, would like to follow along on an actual solve.
So police yourselves... if anyone views source and posts it while a mission is going on, burn them at the virtual stake. I'll be smiling along from the sidelines.
Does that mean that mod's can burninate posts that cite source?
Totally.
John Casasanta
MacHeist Director
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December 23, 2008 6:45 pm
mjweb wrote:
Now (they) put static up on mhstatic.com... Get it? Very funny!
Has anyone tried treating the static like a stereogram to see if there's anything hidden in it? I'm trying, but nothing's leaping out yet (pardon the pun).
Why do people seem to think they have the right to not be offended?
December 23, 2008 7:27 pm
LordZog wrote:
mjweb wrote:Now (they) put static up on mhstatic.com... Get it? Very funny!
Has anyone tried treating the static like a stereogram to see if there's anything hidden in it? I'm trying, but nothing's leaping out yet (pardon the pun).
I stared at it for a long time (I'm usually pretty good at those) and I never saw anything either.
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December 23, 2008 7:36 pm
Biiclops wrote:
I stared at it for a long time (I'm usually pretty good at those) and I never saw anything either.
I yield on the stereogram theory. If there's anything there, it's too subtle for my now-aching eyes.
Why do people seem to think they have the right to not be offended?
December 23, 2008 7:47 pm
@ johnred - I'll please, uh, I mean police myself. 
@ biiclops - staring won't help
@ jpdyson - totally
December 23, 2008 7:47 pm
jpdyson wrote:
i'm putting it in my signature (FTWarbrain, a la burying diggs). post source code, or cite a "solution" to a puzzle that involves looking at the source, and your post will be burninated.
Burninate, I'll have to add that one to my dictionary. 
December 23, 2008 8:02 pm
jpdyson wrote:
i'm putting it in my signature (FTWarbrain, a la burying diggs). post source code, or cite a "solution" to a puzzle that involves looking at the source, and your post will be burninated.
Don't forget that that part in Warbrain's sig is total bullshit. Digg, etc. helps us all. Without all the word of mouth, we'd never be able to give you as much free software as we do.
I just hate censorship so I wouldn't ask him to remove it, even though he's a mod. On the other hand, I'll give him crap for it.
John Casasanta
MacHeist Director
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December 23, 2008 8:05 pm
December 23, 2008 8:05 pm
jpdyson wrote:
Best SB email. ever.
"I employed some chiaroscuro shading..." Still makes me laugh.
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December 23, 2008 8:14 pm
johnred wrote:
jpdyson wrote:i'm putting it in my signature (FTWarbrain, a la burying diggs). post source code, or cite a "solution" to a puzzle that involves looking at the source, and your post will be burninated.
Don't forget that that part in Warbrain's sig is total bullshit. Digg, etc. helps us all. Without all the word of mouth, we'd never be able to give you as much free software as we do.
I just hate censorship so I wouldn't ask him to remove it, even though he's a mod. On the other hand, I'll give him crap for it.
I disagree w/the stance as well - digg is a good way to spread the word. I just meant that I'm putting my personal policies in my signature, as did he.
December 23, 2008 8:18 pm
December 23, 2008 8:23 pm
jpdyson wrote:
Classic. Burninate was often used in college in many late game LAN parties.
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December 23, 2008 8:32 pm
If the Directorate is messing with people's threads/heads I can imagine why they requested everyone update their avatar.
December 23, 2008 8:41 pm
Check in a different browser - it renders properly for me in Safari, but in Firefox, I believe I'm getting what you described...
December 23, 2008 8:41 pm
jpdyson wrote:
Check in a different browser - it renders properly for me in Safari, but in Firefox, I believe I'm getting what you described...
It's rendering differently (higher) in FF.
December 23, 2008 8:45 pm
johnred wrote:
jpdyson wrote:i'm putting it in my signature (FTWarbrain, a la burying diggs). post source code, or cite a "solution" to a puzzle that involves looking at the source, and your post will be burninated.
Don't forget that that part in Warbrain's sig is total bullshit. Digg, etc. helps us all. Without all the word of mouth, we'd never be able to give you as much free software as we do.
I just hate censorship so I wouldn't ask him to remove it, even though he's a mod. On the other hand, I'll give him crap for it.
Wasn't Digg getting out of hand when he wrote that though? Stupid people trying to get rich by digging their referral links?
In general, Digg is a good thing. But too many MH digg articles makes the Digg community hate MH.
December 24, 2008 3:07 am
Ahem. I am not an "expert," but to clear things up. Atlas was a son of Titan. He, and all his siblings, are referred to as "titans" to denote where they fit in the mythology. But, Titan was a different person. In order to be correct I believe you should refer to Atlas as a "son of Titan." So Johnred's posts were a little misleading, but only because of a popular misunderstanding of the term "titan."
I understand the whole "viewing the source code is cheating" thing, but when a group of tech savvy people are involved, it is bound to happen. And the directorate is pretty good about confusicating everyone even looking at the source code.
Digg is alright. Diggers can be dumb. So can MHers.
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December 24, 2008 3:57 am