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johnred

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Ok, who the hell sent me this?!

http://macheist.com/img/forums/Coal.jpg

http://macheist.com/img/forums/Box.jpg

http://macheist.com/img/forums/Address.jpg

Grrrrr

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December 26, 2008 7:27 am
Chriswan

Chriswan

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from Jakarta, Indonesia
1,194 posts

So Santa lives in Florida... and when it is not Christmas he has an alter ego (much like Clark Kent)

Thanks a Lot

December 26, 2008 7:33 am
Adrammelech

Adrammelech

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from Gallifrey
626 posts

hehe...nice joke...
But save them, nice to have some BBQ during these winter nights.
...wonder how they got your address...

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December 26, 2008 7:41 am
rampancy

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Quick, someone fire up Google Earth...and who lives in Florida who can drive to Boca Raton? We really need some agents to check this out.

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December 26, 2008 8:25 am
phillryu

phillryu

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That's a lotta charcoal.

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December 26, 2008 8:57 am
reesmaxwell

reesmaxwell

Automaton Tech

from Eugene, OR
383 posts

phillryu wrote:

That's a lotta charcoal.

I don't know ... I got a LOT more than that during the last three days of Giving Tree madness.  (And I got five apps, so THANKS!)

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December 26, 2008 9:10 am
MrStinkEye

MrStinkEye

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from Out there.. thatta way
284 posts

At least, they should have sent you a full box so you could fire up the grill for some burgers!

Whadda you lookin' at?

December 26, 2008 9:13 am
Grappler

Grappler

Urchin

2 posts

Just means Santa wants steak instead of cookies and milk next time!

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December 26, 2008 9:13 am
medienhexer

medienhexer

Gearhead

from Narnia
63 posts

yes!

No more envelopes filled with white powder, from now on, terrorism is going to be BBQlishious. If they can´t kill you with biological weapons, they´ll make sure you die from clodded arteries :-D

December 26, 2008 11:12 am
macpug18

macpug18

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1,144 posts

reesmaxwell wrote:
phillryu wrote:

That's a lotta charcoal.

I don't know ... I got a LOT more than that during the last three days of Giving Tree madness.  (And I got five apps, so THANKS!)

How the hell did you get 5 apps?!?!?!?  Jiminy!! I have enough coal to heat my house for the next few years, and I got squat!!!  Lucky b@st@rd!!  Guess you've just been better than me!!  lol, gratz on your luck though tongue

@johnred  hmmmm.....I'm all for a miniheist to see who can find your fan!!!

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December 26, 2008 12:23 pm
xray83

xray83

Urchin

from Berlin, Germany
9 posts

Hehe... seems to be a pretty nice place you have there, secret coal-man! Cypress Hammock Dr. is a sweet spot for a large coalmine.

John, are you sure there wasn't a note attached to the package, directing you by mysterious instructions onto an exciting search around the world for the sender? wink

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December 26, 2008 12:30 pm
definetheline

definetheline

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from Canada
1,512 posts

rampancy wrote:

Quick, someone fire up Google Earth...and who lives in Florida who can drive to Boca Raton? We really need some agents to check this out.

Wait—I thought real-life heists were gone this year, and we could all just solve these heists from the comfort of our homes?

On another note, having received a package from John, Santa looks like he writes an awful lot like John.:)

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December 26, 2008 12:37 pm
chewy5000

chewy5000

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definetheline wrote:

On another note, having received a package from John, Santa looks like he writes an awful lot like John.:)

Ooh i'm always bang up for a conspiracy!

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December 26, 2008 12:58 pm
WhiteFang

WhiteFang

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2,847 posts

Now I don't know how North-Americans do house-numbers, but if it follows the same rules as here (street starts at 1 closest to sea and increments by house, odd numbers on one side of road, even numbers on the other side), then I guess the sender address must be fake, cause:

http://www.orku.net/~thor/cypress.png

this road isn't long enough to hold 13500 houses....

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December 26, 2008 1:29 pm
Lokodude

Lokodude

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from Norway
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American house nubmers usually don't start at 1, but at a much higher number e.g. 10000, and the number gets bigger based on some strange rules... I don't live in the US myself, but I have som friends there, and they live in a 600 meter long road at number 35577, and their neighbor lives at 34557, so no logic there... wink

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December 26, 2008 2:07 pm
WhiteFang

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Huh... must be some "imperial" thing then...

Like, "the first house number shall start at 27/47 times the distance of the house from washington, measured in the length of Lincolns left foot, divided by the differential of the polynomial of the mantle thickness divided by the number of hairs on the current presidents back"

tongue

Anyhow, the sender address is in that "length" of road. Now, the houses say there's money there. The white pages turn up nothing (except "please register and give us your credit card number") - on a side note, why can't the US be more like Iceland or Norway when it comes to phonebooks online ?

Someone lives in the area and is willing to go knocking on doors ? wink

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December 26, 2008 2:21 pm
spyke01

spyke01

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from USA
27 posts

Did a reverse lookup on the address and didnt get squat...

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December 26, 2008 2:37 pm
bensor

bensor

Automaton Tech

from Colorado
222 posts

I think it's a fake house number.

December 26, 2008 3:18 pm
Warbrain

Warbrain

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American number systems vary by location.  Some places, like Chicago and other major cities, use grid systems that started in Philadelphia which have a center 0/0 point in the city, e.g. State and Madison in Chicago.  Some suburbs still use the numbering system of the major city that's near them - others have their own 0/0 point (much like my suburb).  Some places don't have such a numbering system and choose to start at one number for a road and continue increasing until the end of the road.

Most places, however, follow the practice of one side of the road having even numbers and the other side having odd numbers.

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December 26, 2008 3:38 pm
Adreitz

Adreitz

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from Noo Yoahk
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Interesting! Hope you don't feel too violated, John! Google Maps isn't always the most accurate in terms of its house numbering. It seems to indicate that the houses on this road have numbers in the 20k's, though, so the address might be fake. You'd have to get someone down there to make sure, though. The fact that the placemarker is just a circle, rather than a circle with a point on it, means that Google didn't know where to find the exact house number (if it exists).

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December 26, 2008 4:49 pm
davekriss

davekriss

Gearhead

69 posts

It's a wonder they didn't start out as whole briquettes and get delivered as dust.

December 26, 2008 6:22 pm
Loufute

Loufute

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from Belgium
215 posts

Héhé, it looks great !
Was it good ?

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December 26, 2008 6:42 pm
epifany

epifany

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from Dallas, Texas
554 posts

HA, that's pretty funny!! I'm with Macpug18 on the coal thing. Sorry, I moved away from the Boca area a year ago other wise, I could go check it out.  Maybe it's from a soured developer?  Not that there are many but I'm sure with all the people you've dealt with, I'm sure someone is not a happy camper.  Or maybe just a buddy playing a trick????

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December 26, 2008 7:08 pm
mjweb

mjweb

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It's a right handed person
Most likely not American (Americans generally put the city, state, and zip on same the line)
They don't know you well (had to double check the spelling of your name)
Employed and likely skews older ($10 is a lot to drop on an anonymous practical joke)
Had access to your address (they might've once sent you something legit or they know somebody who gave them your address)
Seems related to the Giving Tree

I expect they will eventually reveal their ID. The suspect usually returns to the scene of the crime. Are you sure it wasn't one of your partners? They would be the logical suspect for such a practical joke.

Lastly, did the package actually come from Boca Raton?

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December 26, 2008 7:37 pm
forevermac

forevermac

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from The Interwebz
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The sender could have put a fake address on... did it come with a tracking number or anything? The we might be able to figure out if it was a dev that was in the loot.

Did it come with some lighter fluid?

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December 26, 2008 7:42 pm
squawky

squawky

Big Game Hunter

from Miskatonic University
775 posts

If you check out the picture of the larger package, it looks like the postage sticker comes from Boca Raton, FL (hard to tell for sure though - the letters have the right shape) - but all that means is that the postage was bought in Boca Raton.  That's a flat rate box, so anything that fits in it can be mailed for $9.80 to anywhere in the U.S.

Likely the address is fake, but that the sender was in/near Boca Raton recently.

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December 26, 2008 7:55 pm
Loufute

Loufute

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from Belgium
215 posts

Oh, I know !
It's the deliveryman who sends you that, that's logical !

Hum... But, is it problematic that you receive gifts ? Personnay i've received some candys under anonymous and it was pretty good smile

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December 26, 2008 8:09 pm
Adreitz

Adreitz

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from Noo Yoahk
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Loufute wrote:

Oh, I know !
It's the deliveryman who sends you that, that's logical !

Hum... But, is it problematic that you receive gifts ? Personnay i've received some candys under anonymous and it was pretty good smile

You ate candy that you got anonymously?? You're a brave, brave individual.

Seriously, mjweb might be on to something. I'm not sure about the right-handed thing (in my experience, most left-handers write very messily, and that handwriting seems messy to me), but, indeed, I've never seen another American write the city on a different line from the state and zip code.

[edit]Just noticed -- does that Priority Mail label say "Label 226, February 2008"? I wonder if the time gap means anything. Or maybe that's just the last time the label was redesigned.[/edit]

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December 26, 2008 9:38 pm
ravenite14

ravenite14

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from New York, NY
164 posts

I don't know if this has any significance, but the picture of the coal and the picture of the address both say that they were taken by an iPhone when you download them and look at the get info box, whereas the picture of the package does not say where it came from.

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December 26, 2008 10:27 pm
Warbrain

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Adreitz wrote:
Loufute wrote:

Oh, I know !
It's the deliveryman who sends you that, that's logical !

Hum... But, is it problematic that you receive gifts ? Personnay i've received some candys under anonymous and it was pretty good smile

You ate candy that you got anonymously?? You're a brave, brave individual.

Seriously, mjweb might be on to something. I'm not sure about the right-handed thing (in my experience, most left-handers write very messily, and that handwriting seems messy to me), but, indeed, I've never seen another American write the city on a different line from the state and zip code.

[edit]Just noticed -- does that Priority Mail label say "Label 226, February 2008"? I wonder if the time gap means anything. Or maybe that's just the last time the label was redesigned.[/edit]

That's when it was last redesigned.

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December 26, 2008 10:43 pm
mjweb

mjweb

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Adreitz wrote:

Seriously, mjweb might be on to something. I'm not sure about the right-handed thing (in my experience, most left-handers write very messily, and that handwriting seems messy to me), but, indeed, I've never seen another American write the city on a different line from the state and zip code.

I'd venture a guess that the label was addressed while holding the box on line. That's why it's so sloppy. The fact that the letters dip forward and up leads me to deduce it's right handed script.

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December 26, 2008 11:09 pm
Sleeves

Sleeves

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Ruh-row! I found John's house!

EDIT: Wait a minute...the Coal.jpg and Address.jpg pictures were taken in two different places according to the GPS data embedded in them. They're very close, but definitely not the same.

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December 26, 2008 11:22 pm
JPDyson

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Coal.jpg was taken near Dartmouth (likely by Phill).
Address.jpg was also taken near Dartmouth.

That is to say, not likely taken by John.

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December 26, 2008 11:29 pm
JPDyson

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The reason box.jpg is void of GPS info is that it is edited (I think).

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December 26, 2008 11:37 pm
Sleeves

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That's where Phill lives? I didn't know that...
Now why would Phill take the pictures, but John is posting them?

jpdyson wrote:

The reason box.jpg is void of GPS info is that it is edited (I think).

And you would be correct, I think.

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December 26, 2008 11:37 pm
Lokodude

Lokodude

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jpdyson wrote:

Coal.jpg was taken near Dartmouth (likely by Phill).
Address.jpg was also taken near Dartmouth.

That is to say, not likely taken by John.

Of course he would not publish a photo with GPSdata taken at his house. John is smarter than that (i hope...). If not, he deserves getting coal in the mail big_smile (Just kidding John, please have mercy on my soul wink )

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December 26, 2008 11:40 pm
JPDyson

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But it's not a coincidence that the images were taken near Dartmouth, where Phill goes to school.

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December 26, 2008 11:44 pm
Sleeves

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jpdyson wrote:

But it's not a coincidence that the images were taken near Dartmouth, where Phill goes to school.

No, it's not. But where to go from here...

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December 26, 2008 11:47 pm
JPDyson

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Guys, double-check me here. I have Address.jpg taken near a Cemetery, and I can't make out what that is by where Coal.jpg is. Also, Dartmouth is probably an hour away from where these were taken...

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December 26, 2008 11:56 pm
mjweb

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jpdyson wrote:

Coal.jpg was taken near Dartmouth (likely by Phill).
Address.jpg was also taken near Dartmouth.

That is to say, not likely taken by John.

JP, your onto something. But the lat/lon on coal.jpg come up No Data on Mapquest. How do you figure Dartmouth?
lat 44,18.49 N
lon 71.45.65 W

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If I didn't know better I'd say johnred was playing with our heads. wink

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December 27, 2008 12:00 am
Sleeves

Sleeves

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jpdyson wrote:

Guys, double-check me here. I have Address.jpg taken near a Cemetery, and I can't make out what that is by where Coal.jpg is. Also, Dartmouth is probably an hour away from where these were taken...

You would be correct. Google Maps doesn't have a very clear shot of where Coal.jpg was taken, unfortunately. And we can't use Streetview on these locations.

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December 27, 2008 12:03 am
drtaru

drtaru

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Can you guys post the GPS coordinates?

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December 27, 2008 12:07 am
mjweb

mjweb

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from coast2coast
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drtaru wrote:

Can you guys post the GPS coordinates?

lat 44,18.49 N
lon 71,45.65 W

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December 27, 2008 12:09 am
Sleeves

Sleeves

Sky Pirate

1,497 posts

Coal.jpg - Latitude: 44° 18' 29.4" N   Longitude: 71° 45' 39" W
Address.jpg - Latitude: 44° 18' 40.19" N   Longitude: 71° 47' 37.79" W

Hmm...mjweb, why are yours different than mine?

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December 27, 2008 12:09 am
JPDyson

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drtaru wrote:

Can you guys post the GPS coordinates?

They're embedded in the photos, but yes.

Coal.jpg: http://maps.google.com/?q=44.3081665039 … om=1&hl=en

Address.jpg: http://maps.google.com/?q=44.3111648560 … om=1&hl=en

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December 27, 2008 12:09 am
awakebyjava

awakebyjava

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Anyone else know that coal and charcoal are not the same thing? Just saying.

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December 27, 2008 12:09 am
JPDyson

JPDyson

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awakebyjava wrote:

Anyone else know that coal and charcoal are not the same thing? Just saying.

Not important... it's meant to represent all the coal they dished out.

Well, it might be important that it was charcoal, but I don't think that invalidates anything we've discovered as of yet.

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December 27, 2008 12:11 am
mjweb

mjweb

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Phill is busted!

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December 27, 2008 12:15 am
Sleeves

Sleeves

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The hand in Coal.jpg looks more like Phill than John, no?

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December 27, 2008 12:18 am
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