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Karma Coal: a micro heist?
NothngUpMySleeve wrote:
The hand in Coal.jpg looks more like Phill than John, no?
no
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December 27, 2008 12:22 am
December 27, 2008 12:23 am
NothngUpMySleeve wrote:
jpdyson wrote:It looks decidedly caucasian.
Haha, guess you're right. Still, the locations don't match up. Any idea what's near where Address.jpg was taken?
Between Dells Park and Dartmouth College Road in a cemetery.
December 27, 2008 12:29 am
mjweb wrote:
NothngUpMySleeve wrote:jpdyson wrote:It looks decidedly caucasian.
Haha, guess you're right. Still, the locations don't match up. Any idea what's near where Address.jpg was taken?
Between Dells Park and Dartmouth College Road in a cemetery.
Oops...I meant Coal.jpg. 
December 27, 2008 12:30 am
December 27, 2008 12:33 am
The mystery continues....
I'm thoroughly befuddled by this, especially the fact that two of you came up with very different lat./long. (or maybe i missed something?)
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December 27, 2008 12:39 am
Wyldkrd87 wrote:
The mystery continues....
I'm thoroughly befuddled by this, especially the fact that two of you came up with very different lat./long. (or maybe i missed something?)
Yeah, mjweb, how did you get those coordinates? Mine (along with JPDyson's) are different than yours.
December 27, 2008 12:41 am
December 27, 2008 12:47 am
I extrapolated with these coords from Adobe Bridge.
lat 44,18.49 N
lon 71,45.65 W
December 27, 2008 12:48 am
December 27, 2008 12:51 am
NothngUpMySleeve wrote:
jpdyson wrote:awakebyjava wrote:Looks to me like the address under John's name is Pike Avenue
Which is compatible w/the GPS locations where the pictures were taken.
Full circle.
What do you mean?
That the photo was taken where the package was addressed to.
December 27, 2008 12:54 am
December 27, 2008 1:06 am
NothngUpMySleeve wrote:
Coal.jpg - Latitude: 44° 18' 29.4" N Longitude: 71° 45' 39" W
Address.jpg - Latitude: 44° 18' 40.19" N Longitude: 71° 47' 37.79" WHmm...mjweb, why are yours different than mine?
I've gotten different GPS coordinates too -
coal.jpg - 44,18.49N 71,45.65W
address.jpg - 44,18.67N 71,47.63W
curious? Or is it just the way it's formatted in Photoshop?
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December 27, 2008 1:15 am
If you view the images in Preview, the coordinates are available (press Command-I, then click the centre tab), and link directly to the spot on Google maps...
ADDRESS:
Latitude: 44° 18' 40.19" N
Longitude: 71° 47' 37.79" W
Time Stamp: 01:55:17.52
COAL:
Latitude: 44° 18' 29.4" N
Longitude: 71° 45' 39" W
December 27, 2008 1:48 am
Wait, so Phill lives in Dartmouth, New Hampshire, not Dartmouth, Massachusetts? Had me fooled. 
Anyway, it certainly seems suspicious that a package supposedly sent to John would have its photo taken so far away.
I don't know if it matters, but the coordinates are on two sides of the town of Littleton, NH. The one photo is from a cemetary (probably called Dells Park). It's almost exactly at 800' elevation. The other photo seems to have been taken at an important-looking building, in that it's all alone in the middle of a field. Strange place for a post office. It's right near Mildred C. Lakeway School and Faith Bible Church. And Mr. Lee's Restaurant. Right on the Amonoosuc River. A bit higher than 800' elevation.
It's strange that Coal was taken at about 12:40 AM local time and Address was taken just before 2 AM local. Unlikely time to get a package. Also, it is suspicious that two of the photos have these tags, while the third does not -- all three of them had to have been edited. One was cropped, one had the address blacked out, and the last was at least resized. Why only have EXIF tags in two of them? Why two different locations? This does seem like a clue to me.
I suggest considering carefully what the people of the directorate say in this thread, and not getting too sidetracked. John asked who sent the package to him, posted the images, and said "Grrrrrr". (Um, a bear??) And Phill commented that it was a lot of charcoal. (Would that tube really fit in that box?) So, maybe we need to try to go back to figuring out who sent the package.
You guys seem confused about the coordinate systems being used. Some people are using degrees and minutes (and hundredths of a minute), while others are using degrees, minutes, and seconds. One arc-second is 1/60 of a minute, hence how 44˚ 18.49' = 44˚18' 29.4", etc. Think of that example as almost equal to 18.5' = 18' 30".
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December 27, 2008 2:01 am
December 27, 2008 2:06 am
A couple more things:
The road on the package address is in the Boca Lago Country Club. There are two condos (?) for sale on that road currently, at 21535 and 21556. The listing for the former indicates that it is a "55+ community". There is also a modeling agency (Fox Models International) located at 21559 Suite 44J. Strange place. I also found several other condo sales on this road that took place in 2008.
The house numbers on this road seem to vary between 21300 and 21599. Nothing too comparable to 13500. Incidentally, there is another Cypress Hammock Drive located in Tampa, FL. Its house numbers are in the 8000's, though.
I think the most definitive clue, though is this. John Casasanta? SANTA?? Coincidence? I think not!
[edit]Grammar rocks![/edit]
[edit]On the other hand, John says "who sent me this", not indicating what he means by "this". Maybe he means the photos only, and not the actual package?[/edit]
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December 27, 2008 2:27 am
Pardon my ignorance of the iPhone but how do we know the GPS metadata on the photos wasn't tampered with?
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December 27, 2008 2:47 am
mjweb wrote:
It's a right handed person
Most likely not American (Americans generally put the city, state, and zip on same the line)
They don't know you well (had to double check the spelling of your name)
Employed and likely skews older ($10 is a lot to drop on an anonymous practical joke)
Had access to your address (they might've once sent you something legit or they know somebody who gave them your address)
Seems related to the Giving TreeI expect they will eventually reveal their ID. The suspect usually returns to the scene of the crime. Are you sure it wasn't one of your partners? They would be the logical suspect for such a practical joke.
Lastly, did the package actually come from Boca Raton?
most ppl in us (at least by me) use the abbreviation for there own state though (FL not Florida, NY not New York, LA not Louisiana)
December 27, 2008 3:00 am
Are you sure those aren't coal cookies? I heard they are the tastiest holiday treats in the world, and they look and smell exactly like biscuits of charcoal! The only way to find out is to take a huge bite... report back John!
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December 27, 2008 3:25 am
phillryu wrote:
Are you sure those aren't coal cookies? I heard they are the tastiest holiday treats in the world, and they look and smell exactly like biscuits of charcoal! The only way to find out is to take a huge bite... report back John!
Are you and John smoking mistletoe? 
December 27, 2008 3:28 am
phillryu wrote:
Are you sure those aren't coal cookies? I heard they are the tastiest holiday treats in the world, and they look and smell exactly like biscuits of charcoal! The only way to find out is to take a huge bite... report back John!
Bricks. They're called charcoal bricks.
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December 27, 2008 3:38 am
1/2 cup (4 ounces) unsalted butter
1 1/3 cups (10 ounces) brown sugar
3/4 teaspoon baking powder
1 1/2 teaspoons espresso powder
1 tablespoon (1/2 ounce) vanilla extract
Do they taste like?
1/2 teaspoon salt
2 large eggs
2/3 cup (2 ounces) Dutch-process cocoa
1 1/2 cups (6 1/2 ounces) King Arthur 100% Organic White Whole Wheat Flour or King Arthur Unbleached All-Purpose Flour
2 cups (12 ounces) semisweet chocolate chips*
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December 27, 2008 3:42 am
bensor wrote:
Warbrain wrote:Um...just to burst your bubble on the GPS coordinates...they're legit. I know this for a fact.
How do you know?
I've had to look up johnred's phone number before and call him - it involved looking up his address. Let's just say that, considering iPhone location services, the coordinate discrepancies are within the range of acceptability for him.
December 27, 2008 3:53 am
Warbrain wrote:
bensor wrote:Warbrain wrote:Um...just to burst your bubble on the GPS coordinates...they're legit. I know this for a fact.
How do you know?
I've had to look up johnred's phone number before and call him - it involved looking up his address. Let's just say that, considering iPhone location services, the coordinate discrepancies are within the range of acceptability for him.
We determined that they were a while ago, based on how close they were to Pike Avenue, the (likely) address on the USPS box. In other words, it's likely that John did in fact take the pictures.
Still, I think there's something to this.
December 27, 2008 3:57 am
Funny. I always took it for granted that John and Phill lived near Cupertino.
December 27, 2008 4:12 am
jpdyson wrote:
Warbrain wrote:bensor wrote:How do you know?
I've had to look up johnred's phone number before and call him - it involved looking up his address. Let's just say that, considering iPhone location services, the coordinate discrepancies are within the range of acceptability for him.
We determined that they were a while ago, based on how close they were to Pike Avenue, the (likely) address on the USPS box. In other words, it's likely that John did in fact take the pictures.
Still, I think there's something to this.
There could very well be something to it. Check around - see if any of their cohorts were in Florida of late...
December 27, 2008 4:19 am
Warbrain wrote:
There could very well be something to it. Check around - see if any of their cohorts were in Florida of late...
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December 27, 2008 4:21 am
December 27, 2008 4:58 am
epifany wrote:
Beginning of MH III???
eh, my guess is no, i feel like it will be much bigger
the beginning, that is.
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December 27, 2008 5:21 am
December 27, 2008 5:33 am
jpdyson wrote:
Still, I think there's something to this.
Gotta be. John hasn't replied to his own thread; Phill hasn't said that we shouldn't be wasting our time on this or something like that; and something that may have been overlooked, John posted this in The Front.
December 27, 2008 6:19 am
Another thing: For some reason, typing in boca lago country club in google maps returns a link to a Synagoge, just a few miles from the coordinates in Vermont... There is some business listing going back to boca lago under jewishadvocate.com.
I can't tell if there is some connection but it seems odd that the return address on the package and the general area of a search for the country club would be related to the coordinates from the iphone-pics just by coincidence.
Also, there is a St. Johnsbury hospital nearby, but it's quite a long shot to link Johns-"Bury" to John being near a cemetery when taking one of the photos. Or is it?
December 27, 2008 2:01 pm
xray83 wrote:
Another thing: For some reason, typing in boca lago country club in google maps returns a link to a Synagoge, just a few miles from the coordinates in Vermont... There is some business listing going back to boca lago under jewishadvocate.com.
I can't tell if there is some connection but it seems odd that the return address on the package and the general area of a search for the country club would be related to the coordinates from the iphone-pics just by coincidence.Also, there is a St. Johnsbury hospital nearby, but it's quite a long shot to link Johns-"Bury" to John being near a cemetery when taking one of the photos. Or is it?
You might be over thinking this...
December 27, 2008 2:15 pm
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Adreitz wrote:
You ate candy that you got anonymously?? You're a brave, brave individual.
I don't have any reason to be suspicious personnaly ^^)
I don't wan't to ennoy you, but i'm really lost... On one hand, i don't have a native speaker level in english, one the other, i'm quite surprised in front of all what you know... I know about the GPS tags, and how to found it... But how can you telle "Phill lives there" Darmount or Cupertino... And how do you know what houses were for rent ? 
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December 27, 2008 3:42 pm
December 27, 2008 3:46 pm
I found the condos for rent doing simple Google searches for the street name (it's a pretty unusual name). I thought maybe I'd be able to find a 13500 address at a same-named road in some other city, but I couldn't.
Now, I was just taking it for granted when people said that John lived far away from there. Please don't mislead the new guy. Is it common knowledge at least what state he lives in? I mean, I don't think posting his address is cool, but if we know that he at least lives in NH, it'll make things more legit.
If he did take the photos, I'm still kind of confused about the timestamps on the photos. In order for GPS to work, it needs to have very accurate time signals, which is why all cell phones have their clocks automatically set over the network. So I don't get why he would take the photos so early in the morning. I'd expect him to have gotten the package hours earlier, in which case, in the heat of the moment, I'd expect him to immediately whip out his iPhone in frustration. I think I would have cooled down in a few hours and been less likely to post the photos online.
By the way, image editing programs can edit EXIF tags, so I don't know why they couldn't also edit the GPS coordinates.
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December 27, 2008 4:24 pm
Thx a lot Adreitz. It looks more accessible for me now
It's probably right thinking that he has edited informations to be linked... I don't think he lets hasardous informations
"is to bite...report back John!". I've looked after more informations about John.. He has a website :
http://www.taptaptap.com
John's webiste... And "tasty bits for your iPhone"... Maybe there's a link.
Moreover, there is the "exit" apps, "Where To?", about GPS...
The "Classics" app is also presented on Phill's website...
One more thing : the third app available is photofun, like "santasnaps"... it's not without remember the "have an avatar" advice...
Even more, the first gifts were iphone apps... And this site is for iphone owners...
It's too more to be unlinked...i think.
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And, yeah, I'm orange
December 27, 2008 4:29 pm
