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I think they probably quietly fixed this hole. Oh well, the unlocking thing is  a marketing game, we all know that and we should all play along.

How do you say goodbye?

Playing with the 15 day demo, every document I open up on my Mac will not Preview. Grayed out. Well, that sort of renders this useless doesn't  it? Until I can find out what I'm doing wrong, I can't see me getting much use from Espresso! No hints anywhere that anyone else sees this as an issue, must be just me....

EDIT:- Found a project it will open, but it doesn't support cruftless links!! Quite a shock that one, and one that appears to be quite an issue for use with many of my existing projects, most of which contain many cruftless links.

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Should work fine, also, remember version 1.0 Was just released this week, so you have to consider it to be buggy, and lack in support with some languages and features. Also, check out the sugar page they have for themes, and extra language support. (Themes are for syntax highlighting)

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I have a couple of questions:
How long does it usually take to unlock the last few apps?

How high are the chances of unlocking Espresso?

My guess is probably 10 days this time.

As for your second question, I would say 100%. The unlocking thing is a marketing tool and they will for sure find a way to unlock it even if the set goal is not reached. Don't worry about it.

How do you say goodbye?

Hopefully! :-)

Thank you 8-) !

I'm certainly interested in giving it a go, so I can compare it with Coda.

mmHmm

Yesp I got my license for it, I thought I'd test it after someone mentioned about Espresso and it worked for both.

I got mine sent to me yesterday by accident. I was trying to retrieve my CSSEdit license key, and the mail had an Espresso license in it. I was like, huh? I haven't installed Espresso, doesn't seem right.

I've been comparing it to Coda, and so far, Coda wins.

I don't like the way Espresso manages projects and I don't like the way the live preview works, which are two of the things I love about Coda.

It isn't bad though, not at all.  I don't think it's an app for the serious developer though, unless they just do front-end work.  I haven't had enough time with it yet, but I didn't find any way of setting options for a testing server, and so previewing of server-side scripts seemed, well... impossible.  This could be something I've missed though, so I won't say such a feature doesn't exist.

Espresso is certainly good in terms of looks though.  The interface is as pretty as hell, the syntax highlighting and default font is great (although this can be changed in Coda, I haven't had the time to "lift" Espresso's for use there yet), the code navigator is really very good.  Perfect, probably.  Espresso seems to handle tag completion a little better, and although rarely used, code folding could be useful.

It could be – and in most cases I'm sure it is – that I'm just not used to Espresso yet after being spoiled by Coda, and also that Espresso is a young app, but I couldn't use it full-time (and as I don't do app-switching, couldn't use it at all), but if you don't own Coda, it's certainly worth buying and using.

I'll be giving it a full trial this weekend to see just what it can and can't do, and make my decision then, but I think I know what it will be.

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Since they mentioned during the reveal show that they hope to raise $1 milion IIRC, I guess that's the unlock level for Espresso and THL.

I hoped for Espresso or Coda in the bundle, and after the rebate I'm totally in it. World of Goo, Acorn and Wiretap Studio are also great.

I totally agree, but being that Coda is more expensive than Espresso and the entire bundle alone, but I can't wait til Espresso get's unlocked.

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Thanks for the insight on Espresso in comparison to Coda. I grabbed the trial and it looks great. The interface is well laid out. The navigator with the code collapse/folding. Quick Publish. Tag cloud snippet section. It just looks and feels nice. I did find an issue with merging files from a remote source. If you pull a file down from the remote server, it doesn't seem to keep the remote timestamp. So Espresso then thinks it needs to reupload the file because the timestamps don't match. Guess it's just a bug of a young app.

Coda is a hulk of goodness and I am just used to it. Of course, I don't use the majority of its features, and there seems to be a lot of wasted space within the interface in my opinion.

In any event, Espresso will certainly be installed if unlocked.

mmHmm

I currently use Smultron.  Coda has too many features for me, so Espresso seems just right.  I've been following Espresso since the Beta releases.  I was just about to buy it until I heard it was in the bundle.  Now to wait for the unlocking.

Tried it, and the whole thing feels too early to be at 1.0 unfortunately.
I can browse my ftp path via espresso, but it hangs when connecting to publish.
Clicking help pops up a message stating these is no help for Espresso.
Although it's a web coding app and not a drag and drop site maker for your aunt, it should still be a bit more intuitive.  Assuming it's not broken and me thinking it's not intuitive is the result of the app just not working right.  Haven't gotten a preview to show, yet.

If it unlocks, I'll keep trying in the hopes it clicks or things improve, but I won't be heartbroken if it stays locked.
I hope for the best, as this was the app that initially stood out as something I needed.

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Just wondering... everybody seems to be using either Coda or Espresso. Anyone out there who uses SubEthaEdit for this kind of work? It also has live preview, and that's all I ever find useful among your typical HTML editor's features.

My guess is that Espresso's unlock target will be $1 million, at least initially.

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Does anybody know where to get the "sugars" ?? I need a ColdFusion pluggin. I want to compare this to TextMate which I'm currently using.

Sugars:

Espresso Coffee House
http://fileability.net/coffee/index.php

Cold Fusion Sugar development has just begun, it appears:
http://code.google.com/p/espresso-cfml-sugar/

oh yeah!!!
a nice html editor is ALWAYS welcome.. i got rapidweafver but never got used to it... so i'll definelly give it a try when we'll get it

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I really wish they'd included more of the features from CSSEdit in Espresso. Milestones, validation, x-ray etc. Why they didn't include these, I don't understand. I want to use Espresso, and Espresso only, not CSSEdit and Espresso.

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I have a feeling that this will be a future version of Espresso, or a different product entirely based off of Espresso. MacRabbit stated the goal of Espresso was to make a companion to CSSEdit, an HTMLEdit in effect, and not to make CSSEdit obsolete.

I agree with their reasoning. I paid for CSSEdit. Why should I have to pay for it again in a combination product? I really want Espresso - it was my sole reason for purchasing this bundle (with the exception of perhaps World of Goo and SousChef). But I still wouldn't want to buy CSSEdit a second time.

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MacRabbit offer a discount for CSSEdit owners, so you wouldn't really be paying for it again.

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I am a user of TextMate and like the way it extends its usefulness through its bundles. Does anyone know whether Espresso has this type of architecture (plugins, extendible)?

Personally I've been waiting until after MH was over to buy Textmate, as I wanted to be certain to have the funds for the MH bundle if I liked it.  Now I'm thinking I may just use Espresso, at least for a while.  I still really like what I've seen from Textmate, but I think Espresso will fill most of those wants very nicely.

I really love it when software developers get the community involved and allow us users to extend the software's functionality.  Really shows that they want us to use it how we want to use it.

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Thanks for the links Pipher!

This is mainly in reply to WebKarnage but...

Anyone having problems getting pages to preview just need to go to "view" then "language" and choose "HTML". Then the preview option will show up. Obviously the preview option doesn't work for any other language. By default espresso seems to try and guess what language the document is. So, if you have any PHP or non-html code in your markup then espresso will default to that other language and therefore disable the preview button. So just re-enable it by telling espresso it is HTML then voila! Obviously your server-side code will NOT show up, but all HTML will.

Hope this helps!

I hope not. Call me pessimistic but $1,000,000 is a bit too high.

And by the way, i might be wrong but on the bundle page where it says "12 apps for $39" from a legal point of view it should say "UP TO 12 apps.....". Because if the target is not reached and the last 2 apps are not unlocked then there could be legal problems (false advertising etc).

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Is anyone else having trouble including external CSS in Espresso? Only inline CSS seems to be working for me.

From within Espresso:

Help -> Get Espresso Sugars

I didn't see ColdFusion there though.

I believe there's a bug with CSS that's persisted since one of the earlier betas. It seems to pop up when you override the CSS during a preview. The only workaround I've found is to turn off the override and then manually reload the page when editing CSS. This sounds like a pain but considering Espresso doesn't support live previews of anything except static HTML files, you'll probably end up manually reloading a lot anyway.

Smultron is pretty awesome. I have the same feeling about Espresso as you do. I really hope we can get it unlocked, although I'm starting to doubt, especially if its going to be a 1 million dollar unlock point. That means they have to generate 4 million in sales! Which is 102k Bundle Purchases, if everyone doesn't use their discount, which I'm sure a majority will.

So basically... Everyone, tell your friends now. Please. For the sake of Espresso. Anyway, sorry, I'm rambling on. It's way too early, or late, I should say.

The thing that was supposed to be different with Espresso for me was the ability to preview your work. As it stands, so many things can stop this like certain types of javascript and PHP (I do have XAMP running on my Mac) that it may as well not be there for me. Over 50% of the pages I've tried won't render!!!!

If they are suggesting that I have web server space at the ready for every project I am considering/working on just to make this stuff work, then maybe I'll be leaving this alone even when unlocked. It does have an odd feel, like it's development is navigating a path between 2 ways of thinking, without being sure of what it quite intends to be.

I truly don't think I can see what the devs focus is with Espresso, I just hope I'm missing something really obvious.

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Using the discount doesnt matter does it? The sales are calculated using the $39 price i presume or is that not so?

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The calculation is on charitable donations, which are affected by the bundle discount. It is 25% of the final sale price.

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Server side code runs if you have relevant software running on your Mac (eg XAMPP), just not in Espresso. the same sites will preview fine in Safari etc. Your comment did help with roughly 1 in 20 of the pages that wouldn't preview, most of which are still not running server side code!

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In the history of Mac bundles, has anything ever NOT been unlocked by the end?  Expresso seems awesome and would hate to not get it.  Is anyone at all scared, or do we think that it's a sure thing.  They did seem a bit pessimistic in the reveal show...

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Despite what the advertising says on MacRabbit's site, Espresso only previews static HTML. However, as a work around, you can manually call up a preview window by going to New -> Live Web Preview. Once there you'll need to manually type the address of the local server (as Espresso does not support local servers). This should allow the file to preview (works for me) though the previews will not actually update. You'll need to manually reload the page after every edit just like with a standard web browser.

I hope we'll get it, if not it will overshadow future heists -
at the moment, I'm not overly optimistic though.

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Yeah it really looks great - hope it'll be unlocked!!!

plz use my macheist-link 2 buy: www.macheist.com/bundle/u/312112 (will remove it after two)

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I'm really looking forward to Espresso as the most valuable app for me. Hope it gets unlocked before the deadline.

Will the goal be $1M as stated during the reveal show?

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I don't see any way this reaches $1m to be honest. In fact, I'm overly pessimistic at this point that we'll reach the $400k mark to unlock Boinx. On Friday this was at 200K+ and here we are Sunday morning at $260K.

Sales have gone stagnant.

I am loosing my hope on getting Espresso...

Please help me:
http://www.macheist.com/bundle/u/257076/
Thanks in advance

I've been trying out Espresso since the first Beta and have been a CSS Edit user for a while (I bought it prior to it's appearance in an earlier MacHeist).  I've tried Coda and didn't really like it, for some reason it didn't suit my workflow.  A personal thing, not a criticism of the product.  Espresso certainly suited my workflow better, but there are some disappointing omissions and some annoying "features".  The big omission for me is the X-Ray feature in CSS Edit's preview.  That's the one thing that lead me to using CSS Edit over Text Mate for CSS.  I also miss the Milestone feature of CSS Edit, although I know I should be using something like Subversion of GIT (I liked the simplicity of Milestones).

As for annoyances, well the auto complete feels like it needs some fine tuning.  I develop in PHP and find that every time I open the php tag it tried to auto complete a function, which is annoying, it should know I've just opened a php tag and aren't typing a function.  I also find the auto indentation, or lack thereof, to be annoying.  It's certainly not as robust as Text Mate in that regard.

At this stage, these are fairly minor issues.  I'm sure the Mac Rabbit guys will refine and develop, there have certainly been regular CSS Edit releases over the years.  I am currently annoyed by a lack of response from the Mac Rabbit support team though, as I emailed them regarding a problem in CSS Edit after installing the Safari beta and have received NO response (the fact that they are busy with new releases is not an acceptable excuse for ignoring your existing, loyal, customers).

As for unlocking, well I've been present since the first Mac Heist and haven't missed anything yet.  They tend to unlock software early if the goal doesn't look like it's going to be reached.  They've done this in the past and it has, inevitably, lead the fence sitters to wade in and reach the goal anyway.  I can see $500,000 being the goal given the recent slowdown in sales and the difficult economic climate (especially for those in the IT industry whom many of the apps are targeted at).

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I don't like subversion, I use Git, so Coda doesn't feels OK to me because the SVN support is hardcoded. I like the modularity of Espresso because it will allow me to choose exactly what I need. In the future you can have "sugars" of everything: Git, svn, python, ruby, php, bash, SQL, ... This is, in my opinion, the way to go.
Hope to see Espresso unlocked. Textmate is much better for the moment anyway but Espresso is a new born and has a wide range to improve and to become something very good. Good luck to everyone!

I'm so glad that Espresso is in the bundle this year - if it weren't for my lacking income at the moment, I would have bought the bundle day 1 just for the two final unlocks. Hopefully I'll be able to scrape together the dinero necessary before next week so I can still pick it up.

With the Palm Pre's SDK being entirely HTML/JavaScript/CSS-based, my copies of CSSEdit, TextMate, and now Espresso will now actually see use! YAY!!

i agree with the others, not overly optimistic. i dunno why i even want it though, since im a vim user. i guess i just want it for the sake of having it ...

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