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susm

Urchin

4 posts

I installed this and haven't been very impressed. The results are pretty all over the place and using their built in advanced manual search feature frequently crashes the program.

March 10, 2010 2:34 am

PDXS

Urchin

1 posts

CoverScout isn't even helpful—nearly all my albums have proper (and quality) artwork, but the browser is showing only about 10% do. After discovering the ridiculous registration process and the issue with Song Genie's installation, I am using AppZapper (that I got in an older MacHeist order :-) to eliminate both Equinux products.

Funny thing is, I spoke to an Equinux rep at a Mac (not Apple) sidewalk sale this summer, and he came off as a huckster. I guess my spidey senses were right.

March 10, 2010 6:47 am
iDarbert

iDarbert

Big Game Hunter

from Lost Town
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PDXS wrote:

CoverScout isn't even helpful—nearly all my albums have proper (and quality) artwork, but the browser is showing only about 10% do.

This is also happening to me but in a much smaller scale (only like two albums do this)
I think it insists on looking at the artwork in the actual files, but again I have a few albums that I completed myself using iTunes and the cover does appear so I'm clueless on this one.

March 10, 2010 10:25 am

sgustafson

Urchin

2 posts

I really hate the registration process and refuse to jump through the hoops. I simply deleted the two apps from my system. I'd rather pay for a competitors apps that have a simplified registration than use that horrible system.

March 10, 2010 6:01 pm

Gymnae

Urchin

2 posts

I have to say I am pretty annoyed with the behaviour of the app too. Installing something unwanted is, yes, a trojan if it's not properly disclosed.
I demand a fix and an explanation by the developer and maybe the macheist team asap. This will tarnish the reputation of macheist if it makes the rounds - and usually the apple community is quick in these things

March 10, 2010 10:50 pm
iDarbert

iDarbert

Big Game Hunter

from Lost Town
700 posts

I understand you guys are upset because SongGenie is included (I recommend installing only CoverScout using the neat trick that was posted earlier on this thread), but I think calling that a trojan is going a bit too far.

A trojan horse is a [b]malicious[b] software disguised with a desirable function.
While SongGenie is annoying and borderline useless it's most certainly not malicious (or at least I hope it's not), and can't really be called a trojan.

I'm pretty sure bloatware fits the case better, even if not perfectly.

March 10, 2010 11:47 pm

grumpyguy

Urchin

1 posts

I wasn't really happy with the registration process.  Way to unfriendly.

Plus, it seems like CS is just half the program and you need to pay $30 to get the better part. 

I nuked them both.

Now if Equinox was smart, they might have offered Songgenie for $5. 

Now they get bad publicity and no sales.

March 11, 2010 3:57 am

jayturley

Urchin

2 posts

I'm going to uninstall it. I mean, seriously... There's a frickin' Serial Number on my nanoBundle receipt, but I have to send all my personal info to some company I don't even know about just to be able to enter that serial number? Pfft.

When I buy something, I like to buy it. If I'd known I'd have to jump through hoops to enter a serial number I already have I wouldn't have even installed it. As a new Mac user, I'll probably miss something during uninstallation too... sigh...

Basically, the software is holding me hostage to me giving them all my personal info. Not that I mind giving out my personal info to software companies.

But I really, REALLY hate being held hostage.

(maybe someone more knowledgeable than me knows how to uninstall this kind of stuff completely?)

March 11, 2010 6:37 am
RfokusnG

RfokusnG

Gearhead

60 posts

i checked with appzapper before zapping it - 4 associated files- they all had SongGenie in the path names so a search should highlight them for you

i think the app itself, SongGenieLibrary.plist in a folder with a covers folder, the songgenie.pkg installer package...

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March 11, 2010 8:09 am
iDarbert

iDarbert

Big Game Hunter

from Lost Town
700 posts

jayturley wrote:

I'm going to uninstall it. I mean, seriously... There's a frickin' Serial Number on my nanoBundle receipt, but I have to send all my personal info to some company I don't even know about just to be able to enter that serial number? Pfft.

You don't HAVE to, use fake information. It's not like they check it's correct

March 11, 2010 8:18 am
DCBrit

DCBrit

Tinkerer

27 posts

OK, I think its time to calm this one down a little. Most of the Devs that put apps in Macheists do it to get to the massive audience it brings to the party, Equinux have shot themselves in the foot by making it unnecessarily difficult to register and then adding SongGenie without asking. I don't think it is any kind of conspiracy but it is bad marketing.
They had their chance and missed, in the past we have had tens of great apps, I have since bought from many of these Devs and will continue to do so.

I actually wanted Coverscout prior to the bundle but thought it too expensive for a one trick pony, glad I got it essentially free in the bundle but they will have to release an outstanding next app for me to consider using Equinux again. However I will buy from the little app factory (Ripit) again in a heartbeat, that is how software should be.

Cheers

March 11, 2010 8:22 am
iDarbert

iDarbert

Big Game Hunter

from Lost Town
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DCBrit wrote:

OK, I think its time to calm this one down a little. Most of the Devs that put apps in Macheists do it to get to the massive audience it brings to the party, Equinux have shot themselves in the foot by making it unnecessarily difficult to register and then adding SongGenie without asking. I don't think it is any kind of conspiracy but it is bad marketing.
They had their chance and missed, in the past we have had tens of great apps, I have since bought from many of these Devs and will continue to do so.

I actually wanted Coverscout prior to the bundle but thought it too expensive for a one trick pony, glad I got it essentially free in the bundle but they will have to release an outstanding next app for me to consider using Equinux again. However I will buy from the little app factory (Ripit) again in a heartbeat, that is how software should be.

Cheers

My sentiment exactly. I was looking for an easier way to fix missing cover arts in my iTunes library but I wasn't willng to pay that much for it, the bundle gave me the chance to get CoverScout for what it was worth to me.
Now if you excuse me, I'll be off to purchase Rivet

March 11, 2010 8:27 am
DCBrit

DCBrit

Tinkerer

27 posts

funny you should mention rivet, been looking at a few ways to stream to my 360, had a shortlist and I think my great Ripit experience (got it a while back in a different bundle) may have made the decision for me

March 11, 2010 8:32 am

virtualdll

Urchin

1 posts

I have uninstalled everything from equinux and will not use any of their products in the future. Please do not include them in future bundles as i will not purchase anything that includes their products. I feel so violated and I will not tolerate this type of behavior.

March 12, 2010 3:12 am
apt213

apt213

Automaton Tech

from Austin, TX
205 posts

I found that the process of registering with Equinux and dragging SongGenie to the trash took infinitely less time than reading all of the madness in this thread.

If you're going to extend the logic of this asinine argument, did you get pissed off when MacHeist added Tweetie to the bundle after you had already paid for it? I mean- you didn't INTEND to purchase Tweetie. You thought that your money was going toward the seven app developers that were initially included. Therefore- it was DECEITFUL for MH to offer Tweetie at the last minute.

CoverScout is a really nice app - a bit crashy though - even for someone as completely OCD about their iTunes library as I am. So ENJOY CoverScout, DELETE SongGenie, and the chi of the universe will be restored.

Diane, this case gives me a strange feeling... this is one of Cole's blue rose cases.

March 12, 2010 4:09 am
Miah

Miah

Moderator

3,653 posts

apt213 wrote:

If you're going to extend the logic of this asinine argument, did you get pissed off when MacHeist added Tweetie to the bundle after you had already paid for it? I mean- you didn't INTEND to purchase Tweetie. You thought that your money was going toward the seven app developers that were initially included. Therefore- it was DECEITFUL for MH to offer Tweetie at the last minute.

This is quite possibly the most strained logic I've seen in an argument this year.

I haven't seen people calling MacHeist itself deceitful. What I hear is that equinux has done things that others feel is intrusive and that having their products in bundles represents the whole of MacHeist rather poorly.

They're calling it deceitful of equinux, not of MacHeist. It's deceitful because they snuck in an ad, so to speak, which takes up space on your computer. It was not free. Referring to this a a parallel is in itself asinine.

That's not to say that I don't think it's getting blown out of proportion. Never buying a bundle again if it has an equinux product in it?

Please.

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March 12, 2010 4:50 am
apt213

apt213

Automaton Tech

from Austin, TX
205 posts

That is entirely my point- that the logic is strained. I wildly and completely disagree. I don't think that anyone is being deceitful- either MH or Equinux. Not to say that Equinux isn't being willfully difficult, but that's not a crime. There's nothing sinister going on. At least not any more sinister than any other form of advertising.

Diane, this case gives me a strange feeling... this is one of Cole's blue rose cases.

March 12, 2010 5:05 am
tech

tech

Sky Pirate

from Rantoul, Illinois
1,516 posts

There's certainly a little more drama to all of this than I would like but lets face it, activation is frowned upon by many.

Equinox hasn't done themselves any favors other than address their activation server problems they had early on.  You take out the activation system which turns people off, then you don't have hoops to jump through when the system fails.  Had this not occurred I'd guess that there would have been very few negative comments about including Song Genie.  It created a bit of a snowball effect.

For me I've not ever touched any of the apps in the bundle yet so I've not dealt with activating this Equinox product.  I've activated two others in the past and they were both problematic on separate occasions.  In one case their support person even implied the problem was with me when I had clearly followed every step they provided.  I have no control over the servers working correctly.

No matter I intend to install and activate this Coverscout and hope all goes well.  Perhaps they've improved things now.  Maybe I'm just a glutton for punishment but I'm willing to give them a chance.  Back in my 20's I know I would have jumped on the bandwagon and been hanging Equinox from the highest tree but I've aged since then and mellowed out a bit.  Activation stinks but it's here to stay and people need to accept it.  You don't have to agree with it but merely accept it or move to another product.  All the drama just sounds silly.

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March 12, 2010 5:13 am

Jeff_R

Automaton Tech

187 posts

I think that, if people want to miss out on MacHeist because of one developer, that's their loss. As was said, far too much drama. It's just an extra piece of software. Wow.

March 12, 2010 5:58 am
Azurite

Azurite

Gearhead

from Sherman Oaks, CA
93 posts

CoverScout is more useful to me than SongGenie, and I didn't even know SongGenie had been installed without my knowledge until I happened on this thread. While I agree that it's not cool that its inclusion in the CS install wasn't even mentioned, I'm not going to uninstall every Equinux product I have or demand a free SongGenie license as a result.

Having previously bought and registered iSale, I didn't have to go through much hoop-jumping for registering, and have come to expect it anyway, considering registration is necessary to receive support in order to prevent piracy.

The first time I used CoverScout, it seemed to mix up my iTunes artwork, taking album art from some tracks and dumping them on others, resulting in stuff looking bizarre on my iPod but not in iTunes or CoverScout itself. After doing a reformat and re-sync to my iPod, all appears to be well now.

I have such bizarre tracks in my iTunes library that I didn't even want to bother with SongGenie; I used AppZapper and consider it gone.

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March 12, 2010 10:33 am

kagibbs

Urchin

1 posts

I felt just weirded out going through the process. When I got to the Address section, I clicked on the little information tab and a pop-up came up saying 'We cannot deliver to packing stations or P.O. Boxes.'

Are these bastards going to mail something to me?

March 14, 2010 3:08 am
forevermac

forevermac

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496 posts

DCBrit wrote:

OK, I think its time to calm this one down a little. [SNIP] Equinux have shot themselves in the foot by making it unnecessarily difficult to register and then adding SongGenie without asking.

They shot themselves in the foot, we are the resulting gangrene.

Wow. MacHeist 4. I can't believe it's actually happening.
Unfortunately, it looks like I'm sitting this one out because of aggressive version requirements. It's been real.

March 14, 2010 4:34 am

kjelt

Urchin

1 posts

I can understand peoples dislike of apps being installed w/o their knowing (I wouldn't call it Trojan, though). Anyway, I refuse to register with Equinux, I have bought the license to use CoverScout under no further conditions (like sharing my personal data as it is). I therefore ask MacHeist to induce Equinux to rethink their position on that in regard to CoverScout. Needless to say, that I will not buy any product ever from Equinux (I was already considering Songgenie, moreover CoverScout was partly a motivation to go for the nanoBundle).

March 21, 2010 9:02 pm

creamers

Tinkerer

from Tn
20 posts

I wanted coverscout mainly in this bundle and I use it alot and for me I found songgenie cracked Kiss my Ass Equinux. But atleast give us an option to install Songgenie. Thier registration process is stuipedthey dont need to know where you live and macheist needs to reconsider even including them in any furture bundles.

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March 21, 2010 9:08 pm
matthewlowery

matthewlowery

Automaton Tech

from England
383 posts

Great app. Don't see what the problem is. Registration could be easier, but it only takes a couple minutes.

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March 21, 2010 11:12 pm
iDarbert

iDarbert

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kagibbs wrote:

I felt just weirded out going through the process. When I got to the Address section, I clicked on the little information tab and a pop-up came up saying 'We cannot deliver to packing stations or P.O. Boxes.'

Are these bastards going to mail something to me?

They sell TV tuners too, that's why they have that shipping warning.

March 21, 2010 11:56 pm

tbc007

Urchin

1 posts

I don't like the fact that SongGenie was installed as well... I tried running it to see how good a job it does, but it lists a bunch of my songs that are properly tagged as incorrect or missing info.

I'd rather not take the risk of messing my library up and just delete it.

March 22, 2010 3:37 am
moviegod

moviegod

Automaton Tech

from Germany
187 posts

matthewlowery wrote:

Great app. Don't see what the problem is. Registration could be easier, but it only takes a couple minutes.

Yeah, because the long time it takes is totally what people are complaining about.

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March 22, 2010 9:55 am
tech

tech

Sky Pirate

from Rantoul, Illinois
1,516 posts

matthewlowery wrote:

Great app. Don't see what the problem is. Registration could be easier, but it only takes a couple minutes.

It's been well documented what people's problems have been with it and much of it has been technical issues in the past. 

Anytime you have a system that adds a layer of complexity, questions the customer's honesty, sneaks a product onto their property that they didn't purchase, and then the system doesn't function correctly, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out what might happen.

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March 22, 2010 1:36 pm

cjedj

Urchin

4 posts

Found CoverScout to be a PITA to use with very poor results. I hadn't even noticed Song Genie sneaking its way onto my hard drive, and needless to say I'm less than impressed.

I don't care what the intentions were, this is out of order. I've got rid of both apps using AppZapper, and won't be touching Equinux or MacHeist again.

March 22, 2010 3:15 pm
marcoklobas

marcoklobas

Automaton Tech

from Trieste, Italy
270 posts

Yihaaa! big_smile

http://www.marcoklobas.net/MacHeist/CoverScoutTrojan.png

March 23, 2010 12:48 pm
deej

deej

Automaton Tech

450 posts

+1

I nearly fell off my chair laughing at that.

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March 23, 2010 1:13 pm
GeekGuy1984

GeekGuy1984

Automaton Tech

from Washington
133 posts

deej wrote:

+1

I nearly fell off my chair laughing at that.

It's funny because it's true. big_smile

This is a triumph...

March 23, 2010 2:36 pm
moviegod

moviegod

Automaton Tech

from Germany
187 posts

March 23, 2010 2:56 pm
Seshan

Seshan

Automaton Tech

195 posts

If people are looking for software to fix your songs, get tune up, $19.99 for one year or $29.99 for lifetime. If your not in a rush wait and they usually have sales. TuneUp does fix both covers and songs. I haven't had a problem with it yet.

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April 8, 2010 2:29 pm
iDarbert

iDarbert

Big Game Hunter

from Lost Town
700 posts

Seshan wrote:

If people are looking for software to fix your songs, get tune up, $19.99 for one year or $29.99 for lifetime. If your not in a rush wait and they usually have sales. TuneUp does fix both covers and songs. I haven't had a problem with it yet.

Speak for yourself, I tried it and it retagged all my japanese songs in kana and kanji! I couldn't figure out which was which! sad

And yes, I do know it's my fault for letting it do it.

April 9, 2010 11:56 am

business@lost-one.org

Urchin

2 posts

Seshan wrote:

If people are looking for software to fix your songs, get tune up, $19.99 for one year or $29.99 for lifetime. If your not in a rush wait and they usually have sales. TuneUp does fix both covers and songs. I haven't had a problem with it yet.

Yep, I got it, but I figured it would be nice to have something else(cover scout) to help when TuneUp doesn't find a cover. Plus I liked the option of using my iSight to scan in a cover from a CD in hand. But that was a failure as I couldn't register is because the server kept giving me a failure.

I like having my Japanese songs tagged as such, it was nice.

I had to learn a bit of Japanese to recognize what songs are what, but hey, you are listening to Japanese music, not much different than people in Japan having to learn English to read our song titles. But that was just my quirkiness.

April 9, 2010 2:14 pm
iDarbert

iDarbert

Big Game Hunter

from Lost Town
700 posts

business@lost-one.org wrote:

I had to learn a bit of Japanese to recognize what songs are what, but hey, you are listening to Japanese music, not much different than people in Japan having to learn English to read our song titles. But that was just my quirkiness.

This is not about purism, it's about being able to SEARCH the song I want to play.
I don't use Japanese input 90% of the time, I don't see why I should enable that just because I want to filter a song I want to listen from my main library.

April 9, 2010 2:49 pm

hipshot

Urchin

2 posts

it was this that drove me to my ranting post. Dam it  Mac devs get your shit together and stop teh bait and switch.

April 13, 2010 3:32 pm
jfm429

jfm429

Sky Pirate

from Behind You
2,196 posts

hipshot wrote:

it was this that drove me to my ranting post. Dam it  Mac devs get your shit together and stop teh bait and switch.

Remember, though, that comparatively few Mac developers do this sort of thing.  In my experience this is far more prominent in Windows programs.  As I said in my other response, don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

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April 13, 2010 6:46 pm
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