Because the real concern is that people bought MacHeist because of Tweetie 2 and now they won't get it. I don't think people are all that concerned about the iPhone side of things outside of Twitter gobbling things up like another company we all love.
Well, as per one of my other posts, my concern isn't about whether I/we bought Tweetie v1 for the opportunity for v2 beta access…
The fact that atebits have made it official that a second version will come “in the next couple of weeks”, in beta form, and how we're not given their official stance, is the issue that I, and some/most other people, are having.
Anyway… let's see how Loren decides to play this out. I am still not satisfied with the response (or lack of) we've seen on the matter thus far.
I think there is room to express disappointment or shared frustration without resorting to name calling. A little civility goes a long way.
I'd especially expect better from a Moderator.
No, a little name-calling most certainly is deserved this time — just not from the diaper wetters who feel cheated by another person's success.
I actually did by the bundle to get early access to the beta. Loren said at one point that Tweetie 2 for the Mac would sync unread messages with Tweetie for iPhone & I've been waiting for that sync since last fall.
I'll be disappointed if that never happens now that he's sold the iPhone app.....
Some of you are completely crazy. This much bratty angst over a Twitter application. I'd hate to see how badly you folks fall to pieces when faced with actual adversity. What an embarrassing thread. Bunch of manchildren.
yeah general statements on human sincerity and nobility are a speciality among folks around here, especially when employed to justify their whining that they didn't get this and that for more than free...
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I read about this on twitter last night. I started off my research by going here:
http://news.atebits.com/post/509476371/an-amazing-ride
then to here:
http://blog.twitter.com/2010/04/twitter-for-iphone.html
And after reading both I am happy for Loren. It is a pretty big honor for a social media company like twitter to say that your product is the best it has seen.
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I don't give a rat's ass who owns "Tweetie". I just want the same quality and a no ads option. Tweetie was the best available, IMO. I'm happy for Loren, if this is what he wants. He did the hard work, and he deserves the benefits. But that said, I've seen way to many acquisitions change things for the worse to feel comfortable about this.
My only complaint: couldn't it keep the name Tweetie? It has a better ring to it than Twitter for iPhone...
That said, I'm really happy for Loren, and I have no regrets about buying Tweetie 2. (I got Tweetie 1 in the PMC bundle).
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Warbrain wrote:Because the real concern is that people bought MacHeist because of Tweetie 2 and now they won't get it. I don't think people are all that concerned about the iPhone side of things outside of Twitter gobbling things up like another company we all love.
Ditto. This was not a bunch of people complaining about their lost pocket change originally, but about what was an apparently abandoned mac application. The press releases seemed intentionally vague by leaving out any mention of tweetie for mac so as to silently kill it, but it is possible that it was unintentional.
In any case, if Loren has to be the principal coder on the iPhone and iPad (this one should be a huge task) apps, Tweetie 2 for mac is clearly going to have to take a back seat. Now that he has responded, people at least know that Tweetie 2 is not totally abandonware, just potentially neglectware once the beta gets out to the masses.
That being said, many around here were hesitant about this promised beta from the outset due to Loren's premature promises and otherwise total lack of communication in the past. No one wants him to spend all of his time responding to criticism instead of coding (I hope), but rather to tell us what is happening instead of being so vague. Nintendo and Apple get flamed for being secretive too, but they have a long public track record in their industries. It is not so simple for a new guy to pull this off when there are promises to keep.
mangochutney wrote:Great move by Twitter and great news for Loren.
I only hope Twitter won't destroy the app with stupid decisions, like adding ads (iAds or others).
If they do that, I'll keep using Tweetie 2 until they change the API to lock us out, which'll make me buy another client.Don't get your hopes up, as those ads are clearly the only source of income that could make the twitter app profitable. Twitter has a long history of squandering opportunities to profit, but even so it would be most reasonable to expect ads and, eventually, iAds.
I would assume that Loren is the author of all of the Tweetie apps, so his time is split now. While the acquisition makes the iPhone app a higher priority, this could be offset by Twitter not being a one person operation, so he might have some help on the iPhone side. I don' think the impact on the Mac side is clear.
IMO Loren did what any sane person would have done in that situation, cashed in. Congrats.
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I'm amazed at how many people recently got a Mac and feels the the need to bash people without regard to what has happened in the past. For the new people, here is a recap of two related issues.
1. For the last year or two there have been a large number of Mac software bundles. So much so that a lot of us already own several apps that are in the newer bundles. Out of the apps that we don't have, a lot of us already have better alternatives. Therefore, for a lot of use, the decision to buy a bundle is based on two or three apps. The negative comments regarding people complaining about one app in a great bundle, guess what, it wasn't that great to a lot of us. For me I already owned 4 of them, didn't want 4 others and can't run the Monkey Island game. That left Flow and Tweetie.
2. There has been a serious problem over the last couple of years of developers intentionally doing shady things with bundle deals just to take our money and leave us stranded. Given the timing of events, most of them seem planned. One common method is to offer the current version with a claim to the soon to be released new version. A good example of this was Cha-Ching from the MacHeist 2 bundle over 2 years ago. Offering the beta with a free upgrade to version 1 (The Hit List). Offering the current version and then immediately updating to a newer version with a nag screen every time the program loads (SpeedDownload). Other methods include, completely disappearing from the Internet all together, providing a very buggy program with no updates and making the program free a few months after the bundle sale.
The suspicion with Tweetie is that the developer was in talks with Twitter for a while now and was trying to get as much money as possible. If you read the posts on the other thread about this topic, you should notice that the conversation is also about whether the developer will continue to develop Tweetie for Mac after version 2 or just abandon it afterwords.
Well I agree with most of what has been said before....
But isn't this part of buying stuff from indie developers?
It's cheaper, but riskier. The software can be imaginative and usually coded by a small team or one person.
If it's really outstanding there is the possibility that a big name developer will like it and buy it or the company.
If you want more certainty buy from bigger developers... avoid indie bundles etc.
I know what we were promised with Tweetie, but I always give someone the chance to 'do right' before I condemn them. He might send out the next version next week for all we know. Give him chance to supply the goods, and if he doesn't in say a month.... fire away (but it's not going to make any difference!).
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Good grief. How can people be complaining that one of the several hundred dollars worth of apps they got for $20 might possibly be becoming free at some point in the future because the developer has sold his (excellent) iPhone app to Twitter? Are there any spoiled brats in the room?
As a semi-independent developer, I congratulate Loren on his well-deserved success with Tweetie, and hope he continues to provide the world with nice, shiny apps.
As a Mac user, I look forward to the next MacHeist bundle.
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No-one has really stopped to consider the benefits of this. He's said he'll do Tweetie 2, and it would be pointless to put lots of work into a beta only to never release it. In addition, Tweetie for the iPad is being made, and for all the versions he will have a lot more people to help him and a lot more funding. Surely this can only be a good thing?
I agree that it should stay as Tweetie though. It just sounds better.
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Good grief. How can people be complaining that one of the several hundred dollars worth of apps they got for $20 might possibly be becoming free at some point in the future because the developer has sold his (excellent) iPhone app to Twitter? Are there any spoiled brats in the room?
As a semi-independent developer, I congratulate Loren on his well-deserved success with Tweetie, and hope he continues to provide the world with nice, shiny apps.
As a Mac user, I look forward to the next MacHeist bundle.
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First of all, I'm not complaining about this development but rather the noobies that jumped on this forum and started with the name calling. I'm really happy that you all are new to MacHeist, but Mac software bundles have been going on for years with a lot of competing bundles within the last year alone. This leads to a lot of reoccurring apps. Just because there are several hundred dollars worth of apps for you does not mean there are several hundred dollars worth of apps for the rest of us. There is no reason to call the more experienced members spoiled brats and so forth just because you all are new. Have you stopped to wander if there is any other information that the experienced members are basing their opinions on???? Have you all bothered to read the following active forum thread?
http://www.macheist.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=17244
Let's see here, $25 (Flow) + $20 (Tweetie) = $45 worth of apps for $20
minus $20 if Tweetie changes = $25 worth of apps for $20
I don't buy bundles for a $5 dollar discount. If all I save is $5 then I'd use the FTP client I already own.
Like I said in an earlier post, a lot of us already had some of the programs in the bundle and had better alternatives to other programs. What value is RipIt, MacJournal, RapidWeaver and Burning Monkey Solitaire, if I already own them from other bundles or promotions? What value is Monkey's Island if my Mac is PPC? What value is Clips if I already own iClips, Stuf and CuteClips? What value is Tracks if I have no use for it? What value is Airburst Extreme if I think the game sucks?
Please mind your manners on this forum and stop trowing insults.
markrendle wrote:Good grief. How can people be complaining that one of the several hundred dollars worth of apps they got for $20 might possibly be becoming free at some point in the future because the developer has sold his (excellent) iPhone app to Twitter? Are there any spoiled brats in the room?
As a semi-independent developer, I congratulate Loren on his well-deserved success with Tweetie, and hope he continues to provide the world with nice, shiny apps.
As a Mac user, I look forward to the next MacHeist bundle.
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First of all, I'm not complaining about this development but rather the noobies that jumped on this forum and started with the name calling. I'm really happy that you all are new to MacHeist, but Mac software bundles have been going on for years with a lot of competing bundles within the last year alone. This leads to a lot of reoccurring apps. Just because there are several hundred dollars worth of apps for you does not mean there are several hundred dollars worth of apps for the rest of us. There is no reason to call the more experienced members spoiled brats and so forth just because you all are new. Have you stopped to wander if there is any other information that the experienced members are basing their opinions on???? Have you all bothered to read the following active forum thread?
http://www.macheist.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=17244
Let's see here, $25 (Flow) + $20 (Tweetie) = $45 worth of apps for $20
minus $20 if Tweetie changes = $25 worth of apps for $20I don't buy bundles for a $5 dollar discount. If all I save is $5 then I'd use the FTP client I already own.
Like I said in an earlier post, a lot of us already had some of the programs in the bundle and had better alternatives to other programs. What value is RipIt, MacJournal, RapidWeaver and Burning Monkey Solitaire, if I already own them from other bundles or promotions? What value is Monkey's Island if my Mac is PPC? What value is Clips if I already own iClips, Stuf and CuteClips? What value is Tracks if I have no use for it? What value is Airburst Extreme if I think the game sucks?
Please mind your manners on this forum and stop trowing insults.
I'm not calling anybody names, but neither am I buying your complaint. I don't see how Tweetie can add major value to a bundle decision. The only value having the MacHeist version of Tweetie is is a)access to the version 2 beta, which it sounds like will still be happening based on Loren's post, and b)the ability to remove ads from the Twitter timeline, since the free version does everything else. I not only can't see the ability to remove the ads being a major value, but I actually re-enabled them despite having the full version, as they often suggested products I had some interest in.
There was also some additional value in being able to gift two of the apps - in my case RapidWeaver and MacJournal - which I think adds significantly to the bundle value, and then there was the veteran heister's discount, which brought the price down a bit.
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And what about sync of read and unread tweets between iPhone and Mac? Will it be possible, when iPhone Tweetie will not be tweetie anymore?
Echofon does that now. Even though I own paid copies of Tweetie Mac & Tweetie 1 & 2 on iPhone, I switched to Echofon for that reason, as well as its support for lists & native retweet.
Warbrain wrote:Because the real concern is that people bought MacHeist because of Tweetie 2 and now they won't get it. I don't think people are all that concerned about the iPhone side of things outside of Twitter gobbling things up like another company we all love.
Well, as per one of my other posts, my concern isn't about whether I/we bought Tweetie v1 for the opportunity for v2 beta access…
The fact that atebits have made it official that a second version will come “in the next couple of weeks”, in beta form, and how we're not given their official stance, is the issue that I, and some/most other people, are having.
Anyway… let's see how Loren decides to play this out. I am still not satisfied with the response (or lack of) we've seen on the matter thus far.
Have you read this thread, in its entirety?
Obviously not, there's a reply by Loren in it.
Thanks, sstaver for putting into words exactly what I was thinking. I was thankful to have been able to get a great deal on a number of great applications through the bundle. Tweetie was a bonus that didn't factor into my purchase decision at all. Anyone who saw it as the primary leverage for finding value in the Heist probably needs to do some really serious personal reflection on the state of their own lives. More tweeting probably ain't the way to do it. And if you did find that value in the application, it is a perceptual value, and should therefore remains unchanged. You can still use the application...right? Nothing got taken away. Your grumbling is a non-issue. waaaa!
Congrats are in order to the developer. Good for you. Your efforts and creativity and being recognized. We look forward to continued good things coming from you and your team.
I would not have bought the heist nano bundle if it were not for Tweetie 2 for mac.
Does that make me an idiot as someone on this thread suggested?
If yes, then I am proud to be one.
And I would have wanted my refund if Tweetie 2 for Mac had been removed from the nano bundle after this recent tweetie buyout by Twitter.
But, since Loren has commented here that Tweetie 2 will be released, all is well with me....
Let's see here, $25 (Flow) + $20 (Tweetie) = $45 worth of apps for $20
minus $20 if Tweetie changes = $25 worth of apps for $20I don't buy bundles for a $5 dollar discount. If all I save is $5 then I'd use the FTP client I already own.
Like I said in an earlier post, a lot of us already had some of the programs in the bundle and had better alternatives to other programs. What value is RipIt, MacJournal, RapidWeaver and Burning Monkey Solitaire, if I already own them from other bundles or promotions? What value is Monkey's Island if my Mac is PPC? What value is Clips if I already own iClips, Stuf and CuteClips? What value is Tracks if I have no use for it? What value is Airburst Extreme if I think the game sucks?
Please mind your manners on this forum and stop trowing insults.
Judging from your perspective, you really shouldn't have bought the bundle. What sense does it make to buy it for only two apps when you can buy another twitter client for less than the bundle price and the ftp program, you already have an alternative app anyway... Maybe you're already too "experienced" to get some value out of a bundle... but then you are not experienced enough to consider the possibility that after every bundle sale, reevaluation of some of the software leads to abandoning the larger part of it anyway, some titles just turn out to be not as good, others one actually has no use for them... Considering your experience, maybe you should have bought another twitter client in the first place, one that offers reliable customer support and regular upgrades already, you can be sure tweetie2 will not be as amazing as you might have thought...
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that's really great news, i bought this app the first time i saw it on App Store... never thinking about apps i like
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What about Tweetie 2 for iPhone! I need some push notifications!
Great job! Keep it up!
My guess is that since he's working directly with the Twitter guys now Tweetie/Twitter for iPhone is soon going to have the most responsive Push Notifications ever.
Personally I think that those of us who bought it within the last month or two are due a refund. No doubt that the developer is making a small mint from Google.
What the heck does Google have to do with it? You mean Twitter?
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kaatje wrote:Personally I think that those of us who bought it within the last month or two are due a refund. No doubt that the developer is making a small mint from Google.
I think the Internet makes people think they're entitled to things that they really aren't.
I see thinking that if you bought it yesterday, but a month or two? Warbrain is right, you really don't deserve a refund.
Though if they do make it crippled adware that is a different matter, and I think the 1/3 of a million people on MH will collectively murder the app.
Wow. MacHeist 4. I can't believe it's actually happening.
Unfortunately, it looks like I'm sitting this one out because of aggressive version requirements. It's been real.
Actually in some cases you can. Apple for instance will upgrade your hardware if you bought it 30 days or less before the next refresh. You probably need to mention that to them within that said 30 days though.
Actually it's 14 days, and Apple is a multi-billion dollar company not a indie dev.
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kaatje wrote:Personally I think that those of us who bought it within the last month or two are due a refund. No doubt that the developer is making a small mint from Google.
I think the Internet makes people think they're entitled to things that they really aren't.
Not to mention refunding App Store sales is a pain in the ass, Apple is the one who handles all the transactions - it's not like the developer can go to his PayPal account and click refund.
Warbrain wrote:kaatje wrote:Personally I think that those of us who bought it within the last month or two are due a refund. No doubt that the developer is making a small mint from Google.
I think the Internet makes people think they're entitled to things that they really aren't.
Not to mention refunding App Store sales is a pain in the ass, Apple is the one who handles all the transactions - it's not like the developer can go to his PayPal account and click refund.
Plus the developer is then out 100% of the cost of the app, not just the 70% they get.
iDarbert wrote:Warbrain wrote:I think the Internet makes people think they're entitled to things that they really aren't.
Not to mention refunding App Store sales is a pain in the ass, Apple is the one who handles all the transactions - it's not like the developer can go to his PayPal account and click refund.
Plus the developer is then out 100% of the cost of the app, not just the 70% they get.
Apple are still doing that? I thought they had been laughed out of it. Oh well. From no on, I shall never ask for a refund from a Dev. I shall just do something to an iDevice in an Apple Store that would take the 30% price of the app in wages for a staff member to fix.
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Warbrain wrote:iDarbert wrote:Not to mention refunding App Store sales is a pain in the ass, Apple is the one who handles all the transactions - it's not like the developer can go to his PayPal account and click refund.
Plus the developer is then out 100% of the cost of the app, not just the 70% they get.
Apple are still doing that? I thought they had been laughed out of it. Oh well. From no on, I shall never ask for a refund from a Dev. I shall just do something to an iDevice in an Apple Store that would take the 30% price of the app in wages for a staff member to fix.
Every app store takes a percentage. Same thing happens on Android, BlackBerry, etc. Even Amazon takes a percentage from the Kindle books (as does Apple from the iBooks).
If you buy something in a store, and it goes on sale a month later, do you go and ask for a refund? No.
As someone who works in retail, I will tell you that the obviousness of your logic is lost on some people. That actually happens: whether the store has a policy to do so, or not.
I guess it's no huge deal, since the cost of Tweetie for iPhone wasn't much (I bought both versions). I'm glad to hear that atebits was the one who got bought out, since Tweetie is my favourite app.
What bugs me is that, since launch day, I have made a basic feature request for Tweetie 2 for iPhone (one that was previously available in v1), even got in touch with the developer and was always promised "it's coming very soon." Now I don't believe that so much with the recent acquisition. This and not seeing much in the ways of the desktop v2 beta.
I know we got the short end of the stick with SpeedDownload in a previous bundle and I now am feeling that way with this last nano bundle. Is MacHeist about selling (almost) outdated apps now?
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Looks like Twitter also got Tweetie and it will be released for free as well.... no more paid version...
Some reactions by developers to Twitter buying Tweetie for iPhone, iPad and Mac...
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If you guys want some laughs, look at some of the recent reviews of Tweetie on the App Store. Wow people, just wow. I also spotted a familiar name from these very forums in a recent review, calling atebits (namely Loren) a "snake-oil salesman." Real classy.
If you guys want some laughs, look at some of the recent reviews of Tweetie on the App Store. Wow people, just wow. I also spotted a familiar name from these very forums in a recent review, calling atebits (namely Loren) a "snake-oil salesman." Real classy.
Just wait until it becomes free.
By general rule the cheaper the app is the more moronic the reviews get.
Unless it's alreay free in the US store.. it's not yet here
capt_carl wrote:If you guys want some laughs, look at some of the recent reviews of Tweetie on the App Store. Wow people, just wow. I also spotted a familiar name from these very forums in a recent review, calling atebits (namely Loren) a "snake-oil salesman." Real classy.
Just wait until it becomes free.
By general rule the cheaper the app is the more moronic the reviews get.Unless it's alreay free in the US store.. it's not yet here
Most reviews are given when deleting an app.
Just read both this thread and the one in the Apps forum. This thread has a distinctively more negative tone, especially with a ton of people sneering down on the "complainers," calling names like cheapskates and idiots-who-bought-nanoBundle2-just-for-Tweetie.
I believe Warbrain's post summarized the issue the best:
Because the real concern is that people bought MacHeist because of Tweetie 2 and now they won't get it. I don't think people are all that concerned about the iPhone side of things outside of Twitter gobbling things up like another company we all love.
Since Atebits has announced that the beta for Tweetie 2 for Mac is coming, the concern now is about what will happen to it after the fact, such as continued development (new features? bug fixes?). Or will it become neglectware as someone else has said. This is something we can't assume and is essentially up to Twitter to decide. (For anyone who doesn't know, Tweetie for Mac belongs to Twitter, confirmed on the Twitter Development Talk Google Group.)
No one is saying that Tweetie *isn't* one of the best Twitter apps for iPhone and Mac, and of course many people are glad for Atebits since this is a huge break for an indie developer. But a lot of the time customers purchase indie apps early in its development cycle based on the potential they see and so they pay to support its continued development. In this case, many people, knowing that Atebits can deliver quality apps, bought the bundle for an exclusive beta and its potential (some in part, some solely because of).
Personally I was on the fence about nanoBundle2 until Tweetie (and the promised beta for 2.0) was added, the only other app I use regularly is Flow. Does MacHeist give great deals? Yes. Is giving to charity a great cause? Yes. But even so, people buy bundles for different reasons.
Sorry for the long post.
Just read both this thread and the one in the Apps forum. This thread has a distinctively more negative tone, especially with a ton of people sneering down on the "complainers," calling names like cheapskates and idiots-who-bought-nanoBundle2-just-for-Tweetie.
I believe Warbrain's post summarized the issue the best:
Warbrain wrote:Because the real concern is that people bought MacHeist because of Tweetie 2 and now they won't get it. I don't think people are all that concerned about the iPhone side of things outside of Twitter gobbling things up like another company we all love.
Since Atebits has announced that the beta for Tweetie 2 for Mac is coming, the concern now is about what will happen to it after the fact, such as continued development (new features? bug fixes?). Or will it become neglectware as someone else has said. This is something we can't assume and is essentially up to Twitter to decide. (For anyone who doesn't know, Tweetie for Mac belongs to Twitter, confirmed on the Twitter Development Talk Google Group.)
No one is saying that Tweetie *isn't* one of the best Twitter apps for iPhone and Mac, and of course many people are glad for Atebits since this is a huge break for an indie developer. But a lot of the time customers purchase indie apps early in its development cycle based on the potential they see and so they pay to support its continued development. In this case, many people, knowing that Atebits can deliver quality apps, bought the bundle for an exclusive beta and its potential (some in part, some solely because of).
Personally I was on the fence about nanoBundle2 until Tweetie (and the promised beta for 2.0) was added, the only other app I use regularly is Flow. Does MacHeist give great deals? Yes. Is giving to charity a great cause? Yes. But even so, people buy bundles for different reasons.
Sorry for the long post.
The risk of development stopping, or even the company itself going out of business, is ALWAYS present with the sort of indie software that MacHeist includes in its bundles. The Hit List was one of my favorite apps from MH3, and development has been nonexistent, including the promised iPhone app. This is even true of other major Mac apps - Quicksilver, VisualHub, etc.
What has happened to Tweetie is FAR from the worst possible case.
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Congrats to Loren, the rest of you whiners need to call the waaaaaaaambulance. It is OK to be successful in this world.
bdegrande wrote:What has happened to Tweetie is FAR from the worst possible case.
This.
This, uh... this.