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Everywhere I look, I am seeing people complaining about how MacHeist has forgotten OS X and is focusing on iOS, how they're not willing to shell out $0.99 for an app, and how they expected the development team to do better. I would like to politely ask that you shut up about how the Directorite is charging you for something that is free, something that is made because "We demanded it" and something that you might not be able to use because you don't have an iOS device. Why should everything revolve around you?
The Directorite didn't promise anything at any time. They didn't say that we would get a free app, we would always get heists, and mainly, that you would be happy. They chose to make an application on the largest (correct me if I'm wrong) mobile OS, something that still some of use heisters could enjoy, and you think that that is unfair? You don't have to buy the bundles, you don't have to buy this app, and you don't even have to participate on these forums. You chose to join this community, but don't tarnish it because you don't get your way.
Now, I can tell that you people are going to start a flame war below about how they are entitled to "Rights", but I will tell you now that you have no right to ruin a perfectly good community because someone didn't feed you with a golden spoon. Take it somewhere else, we don't want it.
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May 24, 2011 7:47 pm
Go green...! 
Agree 100%... Enjoy or do something else. No one is forced to participate or anything.
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May 24, 2011 8:27 pm
allyorbase wrote:
but I will tell you now that you have no right to ruin a perfectly good community because someone didn't feed you with a golden spoon. Take it somewhere else, we don't want it.
Oh, I didn't realize. So, at what point were you made a mod? I would have thought that someone that earned that position might be familiar with spelling or grammar.
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May 24, 2011 8:41 pm
May 24, 2011 8:42 pm
Two things I hate about forums and blog comments:
1) There's always some dolt who thinks he's a smartypants when he points-out someone else for a grammar error - even though said dolt is really the only one who actually cares that said grammar error was made in the first place.
2) There's always some dolt who somehow has convinced himself that it's up to them to uphold the integrity of, and come to the defense of whatever entity they are defending - with the misguided idea that they are "educating" the masses.
Thankfully, there are still more dolts (like me) who will graciously point out this flaw in our civilization, thereby saving the world from total anarchy and eventual self-destruction.
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May 24, 2011 9:55 pm
Also, to those anxious about MH4... be sure to read the post. Key words: "the very last piece of dessert before the main event" - there's your answer.
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May 24, 2011 10:10 pm
So does this mean that this is a tri-dolt community?
MacGizmo wrote:
Two things I hate about forums and blog comments:
1) There's always some dolt who thinks he's a smartypants when he points-out someone else for a grammar error - even though said dolt is really the only one who actually cares that said grammar error was made in the first place.
2) There's always some dolt who somehow has convinced himself that it's up to them to uphold the integrity of, and come to the defense of whatever entity they are defending - with the misguided idea that they are "educating" the masses.
Thankfully, there are still more dolts (like me) who will graciously point out this flaw in our civilization, thereby saving the world from total anarchy and eventual self-destruction.
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May 24, 2011 10:12 pm
jfm429 wrote:
Also, to those anxious about MH4... be sure to read the post. Key words: "the very last piece of dessert before the main event" - there's your answer.
I will! lol
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May 24, 2011 10:16 pm
Wasgo wrote:
allyorbase wrote:but I will tell you now that you have no right to ruin a perfectly good community because someone didn't feed you with a golden spoon. Take it somewhere else, we don't want it.
Oh, I didn't realize. So, at what point were you made a mod? I would have thought that someone that earned that position might be familiar with spelling or grammar.
Jeff_R wrote:
Protip: Well-reasoned discussions work. Offensive posts don't. allyorbase, your idea is one I can support, but I think you're being needlessly confrontational, as well as presuming a "we", when really you're just speaking for yourself.
@Jeff_R
Wasgo is a perfect example of why I wrote the post like it is. No matter how you present your topic, people like him will always try to flame the poster. If I didn't write the post strongly, people like him would blast down every point I made. You make a very valid point, but I still need to convey my message, which is impossible when people are shooting down my opinions and beliefs. It may have been harsh, but it needed to be harsh.
@Wasgo
FYI, I taught my self English. I am not a native speaker, so my grammar and spelling skills are not those of Grammar Nazis. I hope you can respect the hard work I put in to learning English, or leave me alone.
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May 24, 2011 10:25 pm
allyorbase wrote:
Wasgo is a perfect example of why I wrote the post like it is. No matter how you present your topic, people like him will always try to flame the poster. If I didn't write the post strongly, people like him would blast down every point I made. You make a very valid point, but I still need to convey my message, which is impossible when people are shooting down my opinions and beliefs. It may have been harsh, but it needed to be harsh.
No, people like myself respond that way because you're self-righteously telling people what to do and how to post. Here's a real pro tip: If most people are happy, eventually the topics will be happy. If not, then they won't. You don't get to control the discussion based on your personal preference.
I actually bought the app, and overall, it's not bad, but nothing special. It crashes a lot, and there's only 15 of each puzzle type. The puzzles aren't original, but the control is fairly good. Most likely though, had this not been put out by tap tap tap it would have been ignored.
FYI, I taught my self English. I am not a native speaker, so my grammar and spelling skills are not those of Grammar Nazis. I hope you can respect the hard work I put in to learning English, or leave me alone.
Honestly, that's impressive. There's still no reason for spelling errors given spellcheck though. That's just lazy in any language.
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May 24, 2011 11:47 pm
Holy crap, so much mad.
allyorbase wrote:
Now, I can tell that you people are going to start a flame war below about how they are entitled to "Rights", but I will tell you now that you have no right to ruin a perfectly good community because someone didn't feed you with a golden spoon. Take it somewhere else, we don't want it.
I will tell you right now that you have no right to tell people that they aren't welcome here just because they have an opinion differing from your own.
Heists are different all the time and there will always be mad people because of changing frameworks. There were mad people when heists when to meatspace ("why not in my city?"), there are mad people when some apps are "weaksauce" and there are mad people because they don't like the idea of paying for fun that they used to get for free. This isn't even touching on the people that got excluded from this heist (those without an iDevice like myself), who I think have the most reason to gripe.
Wasgo wrote:
No, people like myself respond that way because you're self-righteously telling people what to do and how to post. Here's a real pro tip: If most people are happy, eventually the topics will be happy. If not, then they won't. You don't get to control the discussion based on your personal preference.
Listen to this guy. And to those of you that are abusing the button, I would like to note that the Report button is to report spam bots, not to tell us you disagree with someone on a personal level. We are not in the business of muting people because they have an opinion that doesn't quite mesh with our own. I read every post that crosses this forum (because I hate myself) and if I think someone is stepping out of line (hello, OP), I'll jump in.
TL;DR: Don't try to backseat moderate discussion, especially if you can't do so diplomatically.
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May 25, 2011 2:52 am
allyorbase wrote:
They chose to make an application on the largest (correct me if I'm wrong) mobile OS.
You're wrong. IOS runs third behind Symbian OS and Android. (Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_operating_system)
May 25, 2011 5:14 am
rpcohen wrote:
allyorbase wrote:They chose to make an application on the largest (correct me if I'm wrong) mobile OS.
You're wrong. IOS runs third behind Symbian OS and Android. (Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_operating_system)
That's smartphone percentage, not mobile OS, as it fails to include iPod touches and iPads.
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May 25, 2011 5:33 am
Wasgo wrote:
That's smartphone percentage, not mobile OS, as it fails to include iPod touches and iPads.
Do you have a source that includes all mobile OSs? And what's the formal definition to you? Is my Kindle a mobile device? Is Windows 7 a mobile OS because I use it on my MBP?
Definition is a tad murky to me.
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May 25, 2011 5:44 am
Miah wrote:
Wasgo wrote:That's smartphone percentage, not mobile OS, as it fails to include iPod touches and iPads.
Do you have a source that includes all mobile OSs? And what's the formal definition to you? Is my Kindle a mobile device? Is Windows 7 a mobile OS because I use it on my MBP?
Definition is a tad murky to me.
And since when did murky definitions stand in the way of opinions on the Internet?
May 25, 2011 5:57 am
Wasgo wrote:
rpcohen wrote:You're wrong. IOS runs third behind Symbian OS and Android. (Source:http
/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_operating_system)
That's smartphone percentage, not mobile OS, as it fails to include iPod touches and iPads.
I don't really care either way, but here's an excerpt from the article text, as of 12:30 PDT, May 25, 2011 (If it says otherwise, the text's been edited):
iOS from Apple Inc. (16.7% Market Share Sales Q3 2010)[7] (closed source, proprietary)
The Apple iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad all use an operating system called iOS, which is derived from Mac OS X.
Now, since the text took the time to explain that all three items use iOS, this article is really all sorts of weird and should be cleaned up.
May 25, 2011 7:30 am
Miah wrote:
And what's the formal definition to you? Is my Kindle a mobile device? Is Windows 7 a mobile OS because I use it on my MBP?
A Kindle can indeed be considered a mobile device. For the record, it runs on Linux. Windows 7 is not a mobile OS because you are running it on notebook, which is not a mobile device by tradition. While the definition of a mobile device is pretty fuzzy, there aren't many things that straddle that border. Suffice to say, if it has onboard data capability (via WiFi, GPRS/EDGE/1xRTT/3G/4G, Iridium, etc), does not solely run a traditional full desktop OS with its default user interface (and that's how we get around Kindle's Linux), and it weighs less than 2 pounds (to rule out netbooks/Chromebooks), it's pretty certain that the device can be considered a "mobile device".
May 25, 2011 7:43 am
I love the irony in expressing one's opinion so strongly, and then defending the strong expression, all the while attempting to mute differing opinions. It's a bit silly, isn't it? You'll save us all a lot of stress by heeding Miah's advice, and not trying to backseat moderate.
However, I'll underscore the point that not even WE do what you seem to want to do, which is to censor opinions. In other words, the same leeway we give that allows you to rant about other people "whining" is the same leeway they get to whine about being left out.
May 25, 2011 1:35 pm
Miah wrote:
Do you have a source that includes all mobile OSs? And what's the formal definition to you? Is my Kindle a mobile device? Is Windows 7 a mobile OS because I use it on my MBP?
Definition is a tad murky to me.
I don't have a proper definition because there doesn't seem to be one. Usually the comparisons I see include iOS, Blackberry OS, Android and Windows Mobile 7. Some include Symbian, and others don't. Beyond that it seems to be more convention than definition.
comScore offers a better estimate of mobile OS sales, but it's not a solid methodology.
http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Pr … ent_in_U.S
Either way, device sales for Android are almost purely smartphone right now with under two million tablets and media devices sold, and Apple's announced numbers are significantly higher than total Android smartphone sales as estimated by any source.
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May 25, 2011 1:53 pm
Wasgo wrote:
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comScore offers a better estimate of mobile OS sales, but it's not a solid methodology.
http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Pr … ent_in_U.S
Those number are for US sales only. Worldwide mobile OS sales are an entirely different story and worldwide, IOS is still in 3rd or 4th or 5th place. Nothing at all wrong with that, but for the sake of accuracy it is still incorrect to assert that IOS is the number one mobile OS. Further, even in the U.S., market shares are rapidly changing every month and not to IOS's advantage as new smartphone shares were nearly 2:1 in Android's favor over iPhone in Dec 2010 and continuing to rise. A slew of new Android tablets are also starting to come to market which will further boost its numbers as the year rolls on.
A bigger problem, however, as Miah and others have mentioned, is accurately defining what is meant by a "Mobile OS" and how the numbers are measured. For instance, I found a number of Mobile OS surveys that were based strictly on the OS used to access certain websites - which has little or noting to do with the actual number of devices of any sort using a particular mobile OS. One thing every survey did agree on, however, was that IOS is not the top mobile OS worldwide regardless of how the numbers were gathered or defined.
May 25, 2011 3:20 pm
I'm going to guess that the folks at MacHeist went with iOS because it is from Apple, the same company that makes the operating system (Mac OS X) that is the lifeblood of the MacHeist phenomenon.
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May 27, 2011 3:56 am
rpcohen wrote:
Those number are for US sales only. Worldwide mobile OS sales are an entirely different story and worldwide, IOS is still in 3rd or 4th or 5th place. Nothing at all wrong with that, but for the sake of accuracy it is still incorrect to assert that IOS is the number one mobile OS.
Okay, I've looked for a bit not and I can't find any evidence this is true for iOS versus Android if you include the iPod touch and iPad. Can you cite any source?
One thing every survey did agree on, however, was that IOS is not the top mobile OS worldwide regardless of how the numbers were gathered or defined.
And yet I've found a ton that don't agree with that.
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May 27, 2011 4:00 pm
Wasgo wrote:
rpcohen wrote:Those number are for US sales only. Worldwide mobile OS sales are an entirely different story and worldwide, IOS is still in 3rd or 4th or 5th place. Nothing at all wrong with that, but for the sake of accuracy it is still incorrect to assert that IOS is the number one mobile OS.
Okay, I've looked for a bit not and I can't find any evidence this is true for iOS versus Android if you include the iPod touch and iPad. Can you cite any source?
Sure. First, it's important to note that last year approximately 298 million smartphones and 10 million iPads were sold worldwide. That means the iPad's share of the total mobile OS market is probably under 3% if you factor out units lacking cellphone connectivity. That's a relatively tiny portion and should relieve concerns about whether or not they're included in the total market share stats. (Including units like the iPod Touch would just be meaningless because then every wifi capable portable device would have to be included and Windows would easily be the largest mobile OS in use.)
Anyway, here are are two sources to back up my earlier conclusions.
First, this source breaks down 2010 smartphone sales by vendor and OS and it is clear that IOS is not the market leader. http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives … _sale.html
Second, this source is an infographic titled 'Mobile Operating System Market Share (Feb 2011) that shows the percentages for 14 countries. It shows that mobile OS market shares vary widely around the world and that the US mobile OS breakdown isn't typical any more than any other country's. http://www.readwriteweb.com/mobile/asse … -27904.php
May 29, 2011 6:13 am
rpcohen wrote:
Including units like the iPod Touch would just be meaningless because then every wifi capable portable device would have to be included and Windows would easily be the largest mobile OS in use.
Okay, this discredits your entire contribution to this thread. The whole point of allyoubase's original comment was that it made sense that the Directorate released on iOS due to the fact that it was the largest mobile OS. This relates to potential sales. Excluding the iPod touch because it makes for inconvenient comparisons doesn't work in this context, as noted by the number of users in this forum that purchased it for an iPod touch.
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May 29, 2011 5:43 pm
Wasgo wrote:
rpcohen wrote:Including units like the iPod Touch would just be meaningless because then every wifi capable portable device would have to be included and Windows would easily be the largest mobile OS in use.
Okay, this discredits your entire contribution to this thread. The whole point of allyoubase's original comment was that it made sense that the Directorate released on iOS due to the fact that it was the largest mobile OS. This relates to potential sales. Excluding the iPod touch because it makes for inconvenient comparisons doesn't work in this context, as noted by the number of users in this forum that purchased it for an iPod touch.
We released it for iOS 1) because we're iOS developers, 2) because there's the whole MacOS/iOS relation, and 3) because I think Android should DIAF.
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May 29, 2011 8:36 pm
johnred wrote:
We released it for iOS 1) because we're iOS developers, 2) because there's the whole MacOS/iOS relation, and 3) because I think Android should DIAF.
So if we ever see AndroidHeist, it's a safe bet it will cause our devices to overheat and explode somehow?
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May 29, 2011 9:41 pm
Wasgo wrote:
rpcohen wrote:Including units like the iPod Touch would just be meaningless because then every wifi capable portable device would have to be included and Windows would easily be the largest mobile OS in use.
Okay, this discredits your entire contribution to this thread. The whole point of allyoubase's original comment was that it made sense that the Directorate released on iOS due to the fact that it was the largest mobile OS. This relates to potential sales. Excluding the iPod touch because it makes for inconvenient comparisons doesn't work in this context, as noted by the number of users in this forum that purchased it for an iPod touch.
Actually, the only thing discredited is your ability to make any kind of a cogent argument in support of your unfounded position. Any way you slice it, IOS is not the largest mobile OS. Come on back when you have something other than wishful thinking on your side. Facts would be most welcome, along with a dose of common sense.
May 30, 2011 7:01 pm
May 30, 2011 7:16 pm
Also, for all of your research (here directing the point mainly at rpcohen) have you noticed who leads the market in profits from smartphone sales? Hint: Not the same company that sells the most units, or even grosses the most in sales dollars.
I'd like to think that the massive amount of money Apple is stockpiling (and I will underscore the use of "stockpiling"; they're incredibly liquid) bodes well for the future of their products. How long can Nokia, RIM, and the like cut these thin margins just to stay out front in terms of sales? Maybe they'll be able to increase the margins as they stake a claim in the market, but folks don't seem to be betting that horse at the stock exchange.
May 30, 2011 7:23 pm
JPDyson wrote:
Can you make a cogent argument for the relevance of determining the "largest" mobile OS platform? I mean, Windows is still the "largest" consumer desktop OS platform. But what's the point of making that statement? I trust you see where I'm going with this.
It's only relevance is in the context of opening message of this thread:
allyorbase wrote:
They chose to make an application on the largest (correct me if I'm wrong) mobile OS,
I made the correction pointing out that IOS is not largest mobile OS. Everyone knows that the Directorate develops commercial software for IOS so there wasn't any question in my mind why they released an IOS app, but the assertion about IOS being the largest mobile OS was wrong and needed to be corrected. That's it.
May 31, 2011 1:35 am
JPDyson wrote:
Also, for all of your research (here directing the point mainly at rpcohen) have you noticed who leads the market in profits from smartphone sales? Hint: Not the same company that sells the most units, or even grosses the most in sales dollars.
Nope, didn't really look into that since it wasn't relevant to the question about the largest mobile OS.
May 31, 2011 2:09 am
Not that this thread has a great original principle that I'm in a hurry to restore to the forefront of discussion, but I don't want to drag this out too much longer. However, I can't help but point out that you're probably missing a more important point - this sentiment of "largest platform" (though poorly stated) probably doesn't just refer to the number of devices in hands. It's about the volatility of the app market. "Hottest" platform might have been a better way to say it.
In short, "units sold" isn't the end-all be-all. "Apps sold" is a more meaningful consideration to the developer. The platform isn't just the iOS device - it's the App Store on the iOS device. Devs don't have a great way of tapping into that "lucrative" Symbian userbase in one fell swoop (my favorite kind of swoop, mind you).
May 31, 2011 1:29 pm
JPDyson wrote:
Not that this thread has a great original principle that I'm in a hurry to restore to the forefront of discussion, but I don't want to drag this out too much longer.
Couldn't agree more. I cringe a little bit every time I post to this thread given its original obnoxious theme.
JPDyson wrote:
However, I can't help but point out that you're probably missing a more important point - this sentiment of "largest platform" (though poorly stated) probably doesn't just refer to the number of devices in hands. It's about the volatility of the app market. "Hottest" platform might have been a better way to say it.
In short, "units sold" isn't the end-all be-all. "Apps sold" is a more meaningful consideration to the developer. The platform isn't just the iOS device - it's the App Store on the iOS device. Devs don't have a great way of tapping into that "lucrative" Symbian userbase in one fell swoop (my favorite kind of swoop, mind you).
You make some interesting points, however I think it's very important to understand that in terms of worldwide markets, smartphones are only in the early stages of market penetration and a lot of things can/will change over the next few years. For instance, while the IOS app market is the biggest right now, with the increasing market penetration of Android devices it's not hard to imagine an increasing number of IOS app developers taking a stab at the Android market, too. Also, new developers may see less competition and a larger potential market in Android and relegate development of IOS apps to the back burner. Only time will tell.
May 31, 2011 5:28 pm
These forums are about as interesting as a fart in an elevator.
I hope MacHeist starts up again soon, if for no other reason than it will kill threads like this because the dolts who start them will be too busy begging for solutions to the puzzles.
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September 10, 2011 2:32 pm
September 11, 2011 2:18 am
allyorbase wrote:
Now, I can tell that you people are going to start a flame war below about how they are entitled to "Rights", but I will tell you now that you have no right to ruin a perfectly good community because someone didn't feed you with a golden spoon. Take it somewhere else, we don't want it.
You literally started your "flame war" right there. You even provided arguments and counter-arguments as a contribution to that effort. That's Clint Eastwood levels of creepiness.
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