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Warbrain wrote:
This. iSuppli is easily the worst estimator of device manufacture costs.
So then who do we turn to for our device manufacturing cost estimations?!? 
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October 10, 2011 6:47 am
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October 11, 2011 5:22 pm
johnred wrote:
In any case, the disappointment for me is that it's the same case design which I think is VERY un-Apple-like and that there's no hardware innovation at all in the new phone. Speedbumperrific!
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October 11, 2011 7:32 pm
October 11, 2011 8:08 pm
JPDyson wrote:
I'm not sure who has any room for complaint.
Only the diehard Android fans who are pissed because of the stellar sales figures (the consensus amongst most tech news sites right now) on the iPhone 4S so far.
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October 12, 2011 3:34 am
October 12, 2011 3:12 pm
I picked up two black 64's yesterday morning at the mall. No lines and lots of stock.
October 15, 2011 2:56 pm
DaddyRobyn wrote:
I picked up two black 64's yesterday morning at the mall. No lines and lots of stock.
64gb iPhone 4S or iPod Touch?
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October 15, 2011 6:33 pm
mikeyfindlay wrote:
DaddyRobyn wrote:I picked up two black 64's yesterday morning at the mall. No lines and lots of stock.
64gb iPhone 4S or iPod Touch?
64gb iPhone 4S
October 15, 2011 6:38 pm
November 20, 2011 10:09 pm
kongobongo wrote:
I wish the old-fashioned telephone function worked a bit better though.
Who uses that, though?
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November 20, 2011 11:26 pm
JMarkevich wrote:
kongobongo wrote:I wish the old-fashioned telephone function worked a bit better though.
Who uses that, though?
Everybody and their mother. Where have you been?
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November 21, 2011 4:50 am
mikeyfindlay wrote:
JMarkevich wrote:kongobongo wrote:I wish the old-fashioned telephone function worked a bit better though.
Who uses that, though?
Everybody and their mother. Where have you been?
Telephone? Like, talking to people? You must think I'm old people.
Which I kinda am. Still, I have 100 minutes and 6GB on my plan and have never used up my minutes.
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November 21, 2011 12:44 pm
kongobongo wrote:
I wish the old-fashioned telephone function worked a bit better though.
I remember the joke when the iPad came out - "And just like an iPhone, it can't make phone calls." 
In my experience, though, the 4S is actually very reliable for calling (I have Verizon, I can't speak for AT&T or Sprint but I know someone who has the AT&T model and it drops calls where mine doesn't. YMMV as always).
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November 21, 2011 3:07 pm
I noticed that I can't copy music from my other computer to my new iPhone.
Well done Apple....
(Actually, can't is perhaps an overstatement - can't easily do it, as it should be, that's maybe more correct.... But It should just work - I didn't buy from Apple to have to do complicated work-arounds.)
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December 14, 2011 9:06 pm
kongobongo wrote:
I noticed that I can't copy music from my other computer to my new iPhone.
Well done Apple....(Actually, can't is perhaps an overstatement - can't easily do it, as it should be, that's maybe more correct.... But It should just work - I didn't buy from Apple to have to do complicated work-arounds.)
Be more specific - I've noticed no change in the workflow of adding music to my iPhone.
December 15, 2011 1:16 pm
JPDyson wrote:
kongobongo wrote:I noticed that I can't copy music from my other computer to my new iPhone.
Well done Apple....(Actually, can't is perhaps an overstatement - can't easily do it, as it should be, that's maybe more correct.... But It should just work - I didn't buy from Apple to have to do complicated work-arounds.)
Be more specific - I've noticed no change in the workflow of adding music to my iPhone.
Really? You have had no problems adding music from two different computers to you iPhone? My second computer wanted to wipe the iphone when I tried - and sync everything with that computer instead of the first one. Is there a particular sync setting that works - and that does not require wiping the iPhone to set?
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December 17, 2011 12:50 pm
kongobongo wrote:
JPDyson wrote:kongobongo wrote:I noticed that I can't copy music from my other computer to my new iPhone.
Well done Apple....(Actually, can't is perhaps an overstatement - can't easily do it, as it should be, that's maybe more correct.... But It should just work - I didn't buy from Apple to have to do complicated work-arounds.)
Be more specific - I've noticed no change in the workflow of adding music to my iPhone.
Really? You have had no problems adding music from two different computers to you iPhone? My second computer wanted to wipe the iphone when I tried - and sync everything with that computer instead of the first one. Is there a particular sync setting that works - and that does not require wiping the iPhone to set?
Depends how hackish you want to get.
If you go into your iTunes Music Library.xml file on the computer you're already synced with and copy the Library Persistent ID string value to the other computer's .xml file, you can trick it.
The only catch now is that you have to also force it to rebuild the stupid binary database from the XML file.
So, take backups first...! and rename your iTunes Library.itl file to something else... and create a 0-byte file called "iTunes Library.itl". Then open your library. It will complain, rename the 0-byte file, and rebuild the DB.
Got all that?
I hate their proprietary non-standard binary database. iTunes is Apple's "Access".
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December 17, 2011 5:27 pm
That "hack" is what I did. It worked - but it was inconvenient.
I expect things to "just work" when I buy from apple - I do not expect to have to hack around. ESPECIALLY with obvious uses like this - many people use more than just one computer.
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December 17, 2011 6:55 pm
kongobongo wrote:
That "hack" is what I did. It worked - but it was inconvenient.
I expect things to "just work" when I buy from apple - I do not expect to have to hack around. ESPECIALLY with obvious uses like this - many people use more than just one computer.
I hear ya. Palm could do it just fine many years ago.
I've had to do this quite a few times when moving around my iTunes library. Changing the main library path in settings never seemed to do the trick.
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December 17, 2011 7:41 pm
They must have thought about it - because it is so obvious. So, they must have added this restriction on purpose.
Years ago, Sony used the strategy of making it highly inconvenient to copy music to and from their devices (clumsy programs, strange formats, weird limits of copying to make the music industry happy). Sony went from market dominance with their Walkman lineup, to loosing everything to Apple when they introduced their convenient-to-use iPod lineup.
It might be a bad idea to make the iPhone music management clumsy and inconvenient....
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December 18, 2011 7:14 am
@konbobongo: There's nothing new in this behavior. This is how iTunes has always worked for syncing, forcing users to maintain a library on a single computer or resorting to hacking the files to fool it to think it's the same library.
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December 20, 2011 8:31 am
I wonder if the whole "cut the cord" plan will change this over time. iTunes is just another client now, right?
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December 20, 2011 4:46 pm
It is no excuse that iTunes has always worked like that. It even makes some sense for an iPod - one music library - one computer. Easy to deal with.
It makes no sense for an iPhone. Imagine that you get an iPhone from work. That you use the iPhone with a calendar, etc, from your work computer. Now imagine that you have music at home that you would like to listen to on the bus to work. - But also imagine that you DO NOT want to put any of that music on your employers computer at work.
Then you have two options:
1 - buy a different phone
2 - use Spotify or some other service instead of iTunes.
A loss for Apple in both situations, and annoying for everybody.
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January 2, 2012 9:16 am
kongobongo wrote:
It is no excuse that iTunes has always worked like that. It even makes some sense for an iPod - one music library - one computer. Easy to deal with.
It makes no sense for an iPhone. Imagine that you get an iPhone from work. That you use the iPhone with a calendar, etc, from your work computer.
This is a problem only when "work" uses something other than MS Exchange for calendaring. Even in those cases I presume people would be using iCal on OS X to easily sync calendar events. For MS Exchange users, setting up email/calendaring on iOS devices is a breeze over plain WiFi (assuming "work" allows that).
kongobongo wrote:
Now imagine that you have music at home that you would like to listen to on the bus to work. - But also imagine that you DO NOT want to put any of that music on your employers computer at work.
Then you have two options:
1 - buy a different phone
2 - use Spotify or some other service instead of iTunes.
A loss for Apple in both situations, and annoying for everybody.
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html may be a good choice, in addition to venting on forums.
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January 4, 2012 8:07 am
kongobongo wrote:
It makes no sense for an iPhone. Imagine that you get an iPhone from work. That you use the iPhone with a calendar, etc, from your work computer. Now imagine that you have music at home that you would like to listen to on the bus to work. - But also imagine that you DO NOT want to put any of that music on your employers computer at work.
If you shouldn't be putting it on your employer's computer, why should you be putting it on their iPhone?
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January 4, 2012 5:37 pm
Wasgo wrote:
kongobongo wrote:It makes no sense for an iPhone. Imagine that you get an iPhone from work. That you use the iPhone with a calendar, etc, from your work computer. Now imagine that you have music at home that you would like to listen to on the bus to work. - But also imagine that you DO NOT want to put any of that music on your employers computer at work.
If you shouldn't be putting it on your employer's computer, why should you be putting it on their iPhone?
Because it is impractical to first move the music to an usb stick, carry that to work, import it there to itunes, and then put it on the iphone. Also, it is a waste of hard drive space since I can use Spotify at work, having all the music available online.
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January 5, 2012 8:17 pm
kongobongo wrote:
Wasgo wrote:kongobongo wrote:It makes no sense for an iPhone. Imagine that you get an iPhone from work. That you use the iPhone with a calendar, etc, from your work computer. Now imagine that you have music at home that you would like to listen to on the bus to work. - But also imagine that you DO NOT want to put any of that music on your employers computer at work.
If you shouldn't be putting it on your employer's computer, why should you be putting it on their iPhone?
Because it is impractical to first move the music to an usb stick, carry that to work, import it there to itunes, and then put it on the iphone. Also, it is a waste of hard drive space since I can use Spotify at work, having all the music available online.
I work in a Fortune 50 company that has strict security protocols. For mobile sales, engineering, IT, etc. there are offered two choices - Blackberry or iOS.
The caveat is that iOS is not provided by the company, but we have a data center full of Good Enterprise servers that push email, contacts, and calendar information to the end users. This way, content is sandboxed only to the Good application. If the user loses the device, they are required to contact the company, who wipes out any connectivity to Good. Attachments are view only, so no proprietary data can be stored outside of Good.
For users who want a furnished device, they receive a Blackberry, and a BES account. Users cannot install third party apps though, unless they are pushed from the company.
The bottom line is that the company believes that if you wish to use your device for personal tasks (such as loading and listening to music onto a device), you need to provide it. Anything the company provides will be locked down and tightly controlled. I am sure environments exist that are more liberal than this one, but this seems typical, especially when proprietary trade information is involved.
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January 5, 2012 9:22 pm