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cenunez wrote:
Warbrain: "we expected" - OK, so now it's "we" - who is "we" I don't remember being asked about what to do with that phone.
Either it is a "WE" in this heist, or it's not. Sure it takes more time to communicate back and forth, but we wouldn't be here if we didn't have time.
Again, "we" are expecting 3 clues later today; the 4th clue is available to the person who has the phone; the last "we" person to have that phone was you, who has a blemished heist record and trust issues. You want "we" to think differently, it's up to you.
this is not the "flame everyone who froze their a** off getting that phone in chicago" thread, so please, unless you can help us with this mini-heist, SHUT UP.
The Master would not approve.
January 4, 2008 5:46 pm
You are certainly correct that no one could have known that the Chicago phone would be used in a backup contact plan.
It just seems that with what happened in Chicago (by a certain moderator), coupled with the IRC shenanigans that day, and the same certain moderator's recent forum antics have thrown a pall over the whole MacHeist II.
Despite all the complaint's about this certain moderator, nothing has been done about it.
Maybe the Directorate is too busy counting how much they will make with the 91% share of the proceeds from MacHeist II to notice how one moderator is ruining the whole experience for lots of people.
But this is real life and the MacHeist Directorate can do as they please. The only real way to show displeasure is with your wallet.
No I am not uploading a silly purple avatar. Stop PM'ing me about it!
January 4, 2008 5:47 pm
susanabra wrote:
That's enough!! Back to business. Now.
sorry, i just got tired of evryone flaming everyone else.
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January 4, 2008 5:49 pm
Oh, come on. And what exactly have *you* done for the MH community, except bash someone over the internet just because they haven't lived up to your overly-inflated notion of who a mod should be? You are taking this way, way, way too seriously. It's just a game. Grow up.
EDIT: Sorry, that was made out to the two naysayers earlier in the thread. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
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January 4, 2008 5:51 pm
rampancy wrote:
Oh, come on. And what exactly have *you* done for the MH community, except bash someone over the internet just because they haven't lived up to your overly-inflated notion of who a mod should be? You are taking this way, way, way too seriously. It's just a game. Grow up.
When a Moderator calls people thieves and whores, then I don't think I'm taking it too seriously.
But like I said earlier, I'll take the freebies, write to all the developers why I won't buy their products, and defiantly not give MacHeist any of my money for a bundle.
No I am not uploading a silly purple avatar. Stop PM'ing me about it!
January 4, 2008 5:53 pm
cenunez wrote:
Warbrain: "we expected" - OK, so now it's "we" - who is "we" I don't remember being asked about what to do with that phone.
Either it is a "WE" in this heist, or it's not. Sure it takes more time to communicate back and forth, but we wouldn't be here if we didn't have time.
Again, "we" are expecting 3 clues later today; the 4th clue is available to the person who has the phone; the last "we" person to have that phone was you, who has a blemished heist record and trust issues. You want "we" to think differently, it's up to you.
It's a we because there was a group. WE ALL decided that the phone was finished. Right now, we're not to blame for missing the first clue. That's because the Berliners let us down.
jpdyson wrote:
cenunez wrote:Warbrain: "we expected" - OK, so now it's "we" - who is "we" I don't remember being asked about what to do with that phone.
Either it is a "WE" in this heist, or it's not. Sure it takes more time to communicate back and forth, but we wouldn't be here if we didn't have time.
Again, "we" are expecting 3 clues later today; the 4th clue is available to the person who has the phone; the last "we" person to have that phone was you, who has a blemished heist record and trust issues. You want "we" to think differently, it's up to you.
That is incorrect. He wasn't the one who kept the phone (which, again, was an arbitrary keepsake after the Philly ARG heist anyway). The WE he spoke of was the Philly heist team.
Calm down, buddy. You're not helping.
It was Chicago, but thanks anyway.
kresh wrote:
You are certainly correct that no one could have known that the Chicago phone would be used in a backup contact plan.
It just seems that with what happened in Chicago (by a certain moderator), coupled with the IRC shenanigans that day, and the same certain moderator's recent forum antics have thrown a pall over the whole MacHeist II.
Despite all the complaint's about this certain moderator, nothing has been done about it.
Maybe the Directorate is too busy counting how much they will make with the 91% share of the proceeds from MacHeist II to notice how one moderator is ruining the whole experience for lots of people.
But this is real life and the MacHeist Directorate can do as they please. The only real way to show displeasure is with your wallet.
Many of the complaints are unfounded and I've apologized multiple times for what happened. If you can't accept a honest apology, I feel bad for you. I screwed up and I know it. Leave it out of it now. We're focusing on this miniheist, we need to get meet-ups in the cities and I'll keep an eye out for the guy who has the phone. I'm sorry, but it's all I can do.
January 4, 2008 5:53 pm
rampancy wrote:
Oh, come on. And what exactly have *you* done for the MH community, except bash someone over the internet just because they haven't lived up to your overly-inflated notion of who a mod should be? You are taking this way, way, way too seriously. It's just a game. Grow up.
EDIT: Sorry, that was made out to the two naysayers earlier in the thread. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
Win. Now, let's get back to it. As I understand, we still have the problem of not knowing where the phone is, nor the user who has it. Correct?
January 4, 2008 5:53 pm
kresh wrote:
rampancy wrote:Oh, come on. And what exactly have *you* done for the MH community, except bash someone over the internet just because they haven't lived up to your overly-inflated notion of who a mod should be? You are taking this way, way, way too seriously. It's just a game. Grow up.
When a Moderator calls people thieves and whores, then I don't think I'm taking it too seriously.
Now, no offense, but if you've only been here for a month and really don't have all that much of a clue what is happening, I can't respect a single thing that you're saying about my mistakes.
January 4, 2008 5:55 pm
jpdyson wrote:
rampancy wrote:Oh, come on. And what exactly have *you* done for the MH community, except bash someone over the internet just because they haven't lived up to your overly-inflated notion of who a mod should be? You are taking this way, way, way too seriously. It's just a game. Grow up.
EDIT: Sorry, that was made out to the two naysayers earlier in the thread. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
Win. Now, let's get back to it. As I understand, we still have the problem of not knowing where the phone is, nor the user who has it. Correct?
I know the user name in the IRC (mav728), but I don't know where he is or what the number was for the phone.
January 4, 2008 5:55 pm
Warbrain wrote:
cenunez wrote:Warbrain: "we expected" - OK, so now it's "we" - who is "we" I don't remember being asked about what to do with that phone.
Either it is a "WE" in this heist, or it's not. Sure it takes more time to communicate back and forth, but we wouldn't be here if we didn't have time.
Again, "we" are expecting 3 clues later today; the 4th clue is available to the person who has the phone; the last "we" person to have that phone was you, who has a blemished heist record and trust issues. You want "we" to think differently, it's up to you.
It's a we because there was a group. WE ALL decided that the phone was finished. Right now, we're not to blame for missing the first clue. That's because the Berliners let us down.
jpdyson wrote:cenunez wrote:Warbrain: "we expected" - OK, so now it's "we" - who is "we" I don't remember being asked about what to do with that phone.
Either it is a "WE" in this heist, or it's not. Sure it takes more time to communicate back and forth, but we wouldn't be here if we didn't have time.
Again, "we" are expecting 3 clues later today; the 4th clue is available to the person who has the phone; the last "we" person to have that phone was you, who has a blemished heist record and trust issues. You want "we" to think differently, it's up to you.
That is incorrect. He wasn't the one who kept the phone (which, again, was an arbitrary keepsake after the Philly ARG heist anyway). The WE he spoke of was the Philly heist team.
Calm down, buddy. You're not helping.
It was Chicago, but thanks anyway.
kresh wrote:You are certainly correct that no one could have known that the Chicago phone would be used in a backup contact plan.
It just seems that with what happened in Chicago (by a certain moderator), coupled with the IRC shenanigans that day, and the same certain moderator's recent forum antics have thrown a pall over the whole MacHeist II.
Despite all the complaint's about this certain moderator, nothing has been done about it.
Maybe the Directorate is too busy counting how much they will make with the 91% share of the proceeds from MacHeist II to notice how one moderator is ruining the whole experience for lots of people.
But this is real life and the MacHeist Directorate can do as they please. The only real way to show displeasure is with your wallet.
Many of the complains are unfounded and I've apologized multiple times for what happened. If you can't accept a honest apology, I feel bad for you. I screwed up and I know it. Leave it out of it now. We're focusing on this miniheist, we need to get meet-ups in the cities and I'll keep an eye out for the guy who has the phone. I'm sorry, but it's all I can do.
alright, no more bashing, flaming, or anything else in this thread.
What happened, happened, and there is no changing it now.
So, can we please focus on the mini-heist at hand, and not on the past actions of individual people?
EDIT: Whoops, posted a little too late. Sorry for any misunderstanding. 
The Master would not approve.
January 4, 2008 5:56 pm
cenunez wrote:
who's flaming? I prefer communicating.
Weren't we told that trust was an issue in these heists? Sharing ideas here about trust is appropriate.
your turn.
the key is who or what can we trust.
You can say anything, but for who you can trust, you have to make up your own dang mind.
Back To The Task at hand PLEASE.
The Master would not approve.
January 4, 2008 5:59 pm
Warbrain wrote:
kresh wrote:rampancy wrote:Oh, come on. And what exactly have *you* done for the MH community, except bash someone over the internet just because they haven't lived up to your overly-inflated notion of who a mod should be? You are taking this way, way, way too seriously. It's just a game. Grow up.
When a Moderator calls people thieves and whores, then I don't think I'm taking it too seriously.
Now, no offense, but if you've only been here for a month and really don't have all that much of a clue what is happening, I can't respect a single thing that you're saying about my mistakes.
You know that was the same line of reasoning that you used in the Chicago deal. You were so experienced that you just didn't have time to lower yourself to anyone else's level.
It doesn't take a post count of 2,000 and a membership length of 2 years to know that calling people, who MacHeist wants to spend money with them, "Whores and Thieves" is a bad thing.
No I am not uploading a silly purple avatar. Stop PM'ing me about it!
January 4, 2008 5:59 pm
jpdyson wrote:
There's no way that it could have been known that a cheapo cell phone would be needed for a future mission contingency plan. Let's be reasonable before we starte bashing other folks.
I think for the future, we need to state quite plainly that Moscow rules apply to these sorts of missions.
The first Moscow rule is to assume nothing.
䷟䷽䷏䷁ — Dying of the Light.
January 4, 2008 6:00 pm
Miah wrote:
jpdyson wrote:There's no way that it could have been known that a cheapo cell phone would be needed for a future mission contingency plan. Let's be reasonable before we starte bashing other folks.
I think for the future, we need to state quite plainly that Moscow rules apply to these sorts of missions.
The first Moscow rule is to assume nothing.
List of Moscow Rules from Wikipedia:
Assume nothing.
Murphy is right.
Never go against your gut; it is your operational antenna.
Don't look back; you are never completely alone.
Everyone is potentially under opposition control.
Go with the flow, blend in.
Vary your pattern and stay within your cover.
Any operation can be aborted. If it feels wrong, it is wrong.
Maintain a natural pace.
Lull them into a sense of complacency.
Build in opportunity, but use it sparingly.
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. (borrowed from Muhammad Ali, aka Cassius Clay.)
Don't harass the opposition.
There is no limit to a human being's ability to rationalize the truth.
Technology will always let you down.
Pick the time and place for action.
Keep your options open.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action.
The Master would not approve.
January 4, 2008 6:01 pm
gordon1470 wrote:
cenunez wrote:who's flaming? I prefer communicating.
Weren't we told that trust was an issue in these heists? Sharing ideas here about trust is appropriate.
your turn.
the key is who or what can we trust.
You can say anything, but for who you can trust, you have to make up your own dang mind.
Please don't feed the troll.
Marathon Forever.
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January 4, 2008 6:04 pm
kresh wrote:
Maybe the Directorate is too busy counting how much they will make with the 91% share of the proceeds from MacHeist II to notice how one moderator is ruining the whole experience for lots of people.
You're on crack with the 91% figure. If that was the case, do you think *any* developer would be taking part, let alone the best ones out there? So don't be trying to spread BS.
kresh wrote:
But like I said earlier, I'll take the freebies, write to all the developers why I won't buy their products, and defiantly not give MacHeist any of my money for a bundle.
And you seriously need to get a life. Everyone's right... how are *you* adding to the community here???
John Casasanta
MacHeist Director
tap tap tap chief
January 4, 2008 6:21 pm
There is no community here. Warbrain made sure of that weeks ago.
You can tell that by the number of people falling all over themselves in Berlin trying to participate!
No I am not uploading a silly purple avatar. Stop PM'ing me about it!
January 4, 2008 6:24 pm
January 4, 2008 6:27 pm
Warbrain, this is coming from a lurker, so I don't know how much weight you'll give it, but I'll say it anyway.
Whether you're in the right here or not, (I believe that you are, but it's irrelevant to this message) continuing to respond to these posts (Feeding the trolls) will not get you anywhere.
Just let the flamers burn themselves out!
That's what I think anyway.
January 4, 2008 6:32 pm
thatgeek wrote:
Warbrain, this is coming from a lurker, so I don't know how much weight you'll give it, but I'll say it anyway.
Whether you're in the right here or not, (I believe that you are, but it's irrelevant to this message) continuing to respond to these posts (Feeding the trolls) will not get you anywhere.
Just let the flamers burn themselves out!
That's what I think anyway.
I've tried, I just want proof that i scared people. Thanks, thougj.
January 4, 2008 6:32 pm
Oh come on, people have only been talking your behavior for weeks. The thread even wound up getting locked to stop the bitching about you.
It doesn't require Vulcan logic to look at all the responses about your behavior in Chicago, all the insults you've been slinging around, to determine that people are are not interested anymore.
Look at the limited number of unique people responding in the 2 latest Directorate communique threads.
Warbrain, user activity is down and you know that you're the reason.
Heh even the freebies are not worth coming back to put up with you.
No I am not uploading a silly purple avatar. Stop PM'ing me about it!
January 4, 2008 6:33 pm
kresh wrote:
Oh come on, people have only been talking your behavior for weeks. The thread even wound up getting locked to stop the bitching about you.
It doesn't require Vulcan logic to look at all the responses about your behavior in Chicago, all the insults you've been slinging around, to determine that people are are not interested anymore.
Look at the limited number of unique people responding in the 2 latest Directorate communique threads.
Warbrain, user activity is down and you know that you're the reason.
Heh even the freebies are not worth coming back to put up with you.
In case you haven't noticed, these are posted when most people aren't here and when they see that their city isn't mentioned, they tend to not care.
January 4, 2008 6:36 pm
<Unique post>
Please ban/lock kresh's account. I am tired of him filling the forums when I am trying to read about actual things.
</Unique post>
January 4, 2008 6:37 pm
e_heinemann wrote:
<Unique post>
Please ban/lock kresh's account. I am tired of him filling the forums when I am trying to read about actual things.
</Unique post>
You go Warbrain. You just figure out how to use a proxy and create new accounts, or what?
No I am not uploading a silly purple avatar. Stop PM'ing me about it!
January 4, 2008 6:38 pm
Guys, don't bother trying to respond to people like kresh. All of this amounts to is them just pouting that they aren't the ones in charge. Let's just focus on having fun with this and ignore the naysayers who really are out to ruin it for the rest of us.
Marathon Forever.
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January 4, 2008 6:39 pm
e_heinemann wrote:
<Unique post>
Please ban/lock kresh's account. I am tired of him filling the forums when I am trying to read about actual things.
</Unique post>
ACK.
The gates in my computer are AND, OR and NOT; they are not Bill.
January 4, 2008 6:40 pm
kresh wrote:
e_heinemann wrote:<Unique post>
Please ban/lock kresh's account. I am tired of him filling the forums when I am trying to read about actual things.
</Unique post>
You go Warbrain. You just figure out how to use a proxy and create new accounts, or what?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. What a effin' joke. I wouldn't waste the time to do so.
January 4, 2008 6:41 pm
That is quite humorous. Seeing as he would have to go through the trouble of updating the date created too (can he do that as a moderator?)
-E
January 4, 2008 6:42 pm
kresh wrote:
Warbrain, user activity is down and you know that you're the reason.
Mission 3 had the most solves ever so far. So you really need to stop making up things and stating them as fact.
John Casasanta
MacHeist Director
tap tap tap chief
January 4, 2008 6:44 pm
Ok, so, you are being accused of using a proxy a month ago in preparation of today. May I borrow your clairvoyance to pick stocks? And a super bowl winner? Well, ok, maybe a few more things too.
-E
January 4, 2008 6:53 pm
Wow i never thought that someone who froze out in the cold for a community playing a game could get so much heat for helping.
So no show in Berlin. A bit of a shame the phone is missing but no surprise, are we sure it's not on ebay?
Waiting for news......
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January 4, 2008 6:55 pm
Ok. What the hell is going on?
Come on people, this is meant to be fun. There is one macheister that happens to have that mobile phone (which I'm pretty certain was just kept as a keepsake and it's not part of a master plan to annoy anyone). What we need to do is try to work out how we're going to get hold of that macheister to make sure he'll pick up the phone when it rings. If that doesn't work out I'm sure the directorate will think of a 3rd solution.
At the end of the day, this is a game, remember?
Do we have any news about mav and the phone anyway?
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January 4, 2008 6:58 pm
Someone tell the mole my cellphone is available 
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January 4, 2008 6:58 pm
Warbrain don't take offense to this, but I think a lot of peoples issue with you is that you appear to be a cocky know it all. When you got the chance to participate and the heist didn't go very smoothly people thought "ha, that cocky SOB can't back up his talk".
That is simply my analysis of the situation. You may have apologized but your attitude throws people off sometimes.
Please understand that I am not trying to fuel the flames or put you down, I am simply trying to provide an understanding of some of these peoples attitudes toward you. As negative and unhelpful as they are it makes them feel better to put you down. Most especially since you became a moderator.
"If I sit silently, I have sinned" -Mohammad Mossadegh
January 4, 2008 6:58 pm
kresh wrote:
Oh come on, people have only been talking your behavior for weeks. The thread even wound up getting locked to stop the bitching about you.
It doesn't require Vulcan logic to look at all the responses about your behavior in Chicago, all the insults you've been slinging around, to determine that people are are not interested anymore.
Look at the limited number of unique people responding in the 2 latest Directorate communique threads.
Warbrain, user activity is down and you know that you're the reason.
Heh even the freebies are not worth coming back to put up with you.
what we need for this forum is a nice big ignore button for people who cease to offer anything of relevance....
Go Team Green!
January 4, 2008 7:00 pm
I have been attempting to ring you in Berlin for the last twenty minutes with no success.
On second thought I can't believe this ... I can't believe that in Berlin nobody answers a phone that's ringing that long ... even on the street. I know Berlin and the people there ... that's almost not possible that noone answers that damn phone...
Just me thinking.
January 4, 2008 7:22 pm
Congratulations Agent, for reading this thread to this point!
In case your mind has gone numb from all of the finger-pointing, and flaming, here is a recap of the last 4 pages of posts:
1. There was a scheduled drop in Berlin, but no agents made it to the site.
2. The mole has given us a Plan B, which involves the Cell Phone used in the Chicago Mini Heist.
3. One of the Agents involved in the Chicago heist has the cell phone, but nobody knows how to contact him, except through his IRC nick: mav728.
4. The phone will ring at 21:00 ET. If it is not answered, it is unclear on the next step.
5. There are 3 other locations where drops will happen in North America.
6. This is a _game_ people. Have Fun.
7. The Troll that started the flame war has an avatar that looks like a D!*k-face. :-)
Cheers,
Wolf
In theory, theory and practice are the same, in practice, they are not.
January 4, 2008 8:03 pm
ptoal wrote:
Congratulations Agent, for reading this thread to this point!
....
7. The Troll that started the flame war has an avatar that looks like a D!*k-face. :-)
Cheers,
Wolf
Oh MAN...and here I am at work on a Windoze machine that won't load avatars. I feel like I'm totally missing out.
Sometimes I feel so blue
It makes me twitter.
January 4, 2008 8:13 pm